There was a bunch of comments already on this subject before, but looks like they have all been deleted.. but anyway you are correct. Jesus, if he was even a real person, was not the founder of Christianity, even if his story became central to the religion that started to take shape generations after his alleged death.
I know what you mean -- a cursory examination of the text gives that impression, but actually, when studying the new testament, it becomes clear that Jesus fully intended to found a movement, and he did, by training the apostles. Plus, as millions of us still believe, it is the power of the living Jesus that keeps it going. Persecution of Christians all over the world has never been able to eradicate it. i.e. Russia, China, and even now, Christians are coming out all over Islamic territory.
How do you get that Jesus intended to start a religion from reading the New Testament? (even ignoring that the NT was written by anonymous authors who never met the man, decades after he was dead) ... even if we assume that the NT is mostly accurate and Jesus was as described in its pages, then isn't it obvious that he believed himself to be the Jewish messiah ushering in the end of days? He tells his followers repeatedly to sell all of their possessions, abandon their families, follow him and prepare for judgment day. He said that this would happen before the last of them had died. Why would he be trying to start a new religion if the world was about to end?
I strongly doubt that the historical Jesus, were he to exist, would have thought that he was starting his own religion. It's doubtful that he called himself the son of god, too. The farther you get from his death the more miraculous and supernatural the gospels and other accounts of his life become.
Islamic tradition holds that Jesus was a divinely inspired prophet, the last before Muhammad, but that the gospels were corrupted and those that call themselves Christians are not practicing a true religion. According to Islamic tradition Jesus was a devout Muslim, following the same religion as Moses, Abraham, Adam, and, eventually, Muhammad.
The Christian Church was started on Pentecost. Paul was not there. He was a Pharisee responsible for the persecution of Christians who only much later experienced his own conversion.
You're referring to a mythological story that is held to be the foundation of the religion by that religion's tradition. Carter is referring to the plausible real history of the religion. Two very different things.
Chances of these characters being based on real historical people:
Abraham: 5%
Jesus: 65%
Muhammad: 90%
but it's fair to say none of them founded a new religion even if they were real. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all took shape over the course of years coming out of the religious traditions that preceded them and shaped by many different people. Paul probably is the one person who deserves the most credit for founding Christianity. He wrote many of the books of the New Testament and was the one who started preaching to and converting the gentiles. Before Paul, Christianity was not a new religion it was a Jewish apocalypse/messiah cult and there were many just like it.
Muhammad also saw himself as a prophet following in the already established religious traditions that preceded him. The figure in Islamic history that most closely resembles Paul is probably Abu Bakr, who had the Quran written down.
Judaism's real origins have been lost to antiquity.
A good example of why this quiz is inconsistent and inaccurate: if you're going to assume that all characters in religious texts are real people and that all religious traditions are true, then the founder of Mormonism should be the prophet Mormon, who was one of the Nephites- the ancient Jews who sailed to and settled in America. Mormon is the one who wrote the history of his people down on golden plates. Joseph Smith just found those plates and had them translated. That's the Mormon version of events.
Of course, in the real world, we know that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon and there never were any golden plates nor any Nephites. Just like we know that Abu Bakr had the Quran written down, and that Paul wrote somewhere between one third and one half of the New Testament.
I was going to lament on only 8% knowing John Muir, but then I realized that non-Americans have probably never heard of him. (Probably a similar reason for the low percentage of Stephen Austin.)
Those Google guys were really smart, but not charismatic. They didn't seek attention or power, they didn't give people reasons to hate them or their product (e.g. Zuckerberg), and there were no personality cults around them (e.g. Jobs). And while they certainly got rich, it wasn't quite the absurdly ostentatious wealth of Bezos and Musk. Fwiw, I don't love Google.
I would whole heatedly agree with this and if it's not Peter then it's one of his successors. Christianity was not a thing until at least a decade or two after Jesus' death. It was a cult, sect or whatever term you choose to use of Judaism prior to that. Early followers were Jewish and would attend Jewish services. They would meet separately to discuss/celebrate the teachings of the person that would later become known as the messiah. Was Haile Selassie the founder of Rasta? No he is the the person that is venerated by the followers. If you want to keep the title and answers at least add a caveat in the description that it can also the person who the movement/religion celebrates. As a practicing Protestant I have absolutely no problem with Peter or a successor up to the Council of Nicaea.
There is at least some evidence of both of them existing.
Abraham: 5%
Jesus: 65%
Muhammad: 90%
but it's fair to say none of them founded a new religion even if they were real. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all took shape over the course of years coming out of the religious traditions that preceded them and shaped by many different people. Paul probably is the one person who deserves the most credit for founding Christianity. He wrote many of the books of the New Testament and was the one who started preaching to and converting the gentiles. Before Paul, Christianity was not a new religion it was a Jewish apocalypse/messiah cult and there were many just like it.
Muhammad also saw himself as a prophet following in the already established religious traditions that preceded him. The figure in Islamic history that most closely resembles Paul is probably Abu Bakr, who had the Quran written down.
Judaism's real origins have been lost to antiquity.
Of course, in the real world, we know that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon and there never were any golden plates nor any Nephites. Just like we know that Abu Bakr had the Quran written down, and that Paul wrote somewhere between one third and one half of the New Testament.
Thought for the day.
thanks :)
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Livin' life in peace