Or mentioning the name of the Dalai Lama, attempting to leave Tibet, campaigning peacefully for Tibetan independence or trying to promote the use of the Tibetan language for example. Hilarious? I think not.
No it's written correctly, the spelling truly is "Thomas More" and not "Moore": http://www.bl.uk/learning/histcitizen/21cc/utopia/more1/moreutopia.html
So should we still be executing people by decapitation for incest and being Catholic? Your argument for the death penalty on another quiz seemed to amount to the idea that people who are in prison for life should have access to euthanasia, and that you didn't consider their consent to be particularly important given their crimes. I don't see how this applies to any executions in England on this quiz.
I contest that Brits are presently enlightened, and certainly that they are any more enlightened that Americans or the Japanese, or that their present state of enlightenment is due to objection to the death penalty - which has more to do with a silly and irrational emotion-based belief in the sanctity and value of human life in all circumstances than it has to do with any moral superiority.
No, I was not arguing that you should decapitate Catholics. Though that isn't necessarily the worst idea.
I don't think Brits are on the whole significantly more enlightened than Americans or Japanese. But I do think Brits are enlightened in this particular area compared to Brits of the time when they were executing people, whether for genuinely immoral crimes or not. There has never been any country I know of that has had the death penalty for the reasons you propose for it. The executions in England on this quiz were about the assertion of authority by the ruling classes and retribution. And to some extent criminal punishment remains motivated by retribution, though politicians tend to disguise it as deterrant, but there are reasons why the death penalty can be considered worse than other punishments.
maybe. Would be easier to agree if people who stopped doing something a short time ago, and not that long before that were mounting heads on pikes next to London bridge, were not acting so holier-than-thou when they talk about the subject.
I see you remember the previous conversation and that I don't believe in retributive justice but I still see that this is how most justice systems around the world work whether they incorporate the death penalty or not.
I understand where you are coming from, but given that the last execution in England was in 1964 and there haven't been any heads put on spikes by London Bridge since 1820 at the most recent (I wasn't able to find anything specifically relating to London Bridge but that was when the last execution by hanging, drawing and quartering occurred) It isn't really hypocritical for people to consider the UK more moral than countries that still have the death penalty if they consider the death penalty to be immoral. Because the people voting for the governments that carried out those actions, as well as every person in the governments themselves, were different. You might also be interested to know that until recently polls about the death penalty in the UK have consistently shown that most people want it reintroduced. This seems very surprising to me as all political parties except for a few extreme-right ones are opposed to the death penalty in the UK, and politicians frequently point to it
as something that they think unites the UK as a (somewhat) socially liberal country. It is difficult to think of any country other than the USA they could be comparing to, as there are much better ways of demonstrating that we are better than Saudi Arabia, China, North Korea, etc.
It's just listed more often here, otherwise beheading was costumary for nobility all over Europe.
The English stopped it in 1747, while the French continued with guillotine until abolishment of death penalty in 1980 ... (1977 was actually the last beheading in western world)
I believe that was only for Ethel Rosenberg, not Julius, and it was based on a council's conclusion that she was innocent, and was wrongly included in the charges in order to use her as leverage against her husband. NYC chose to acknowledge that she was wrongly executed by an overzealous government. You make it sound as if all of New York takes the day off to celebrate Ethel Rosenberg. That's not what the day was about at all.
I actually never knew America had a martyr of the Revolution, and apparently only 22% of other people knew that also. I knew Ben Franklin said "We must all hang together or we will certainly hang separately" but I never knew that anybody actually did get hanged.
@someone2018. Many of your comments have been reported and often for good reason. If you are going to make extraordinary claims, at least post evidence. You're on thin ice.
Valley Forge. The generals commandeered blah blah just as I said. The soldiers lived in dirt floor twig huts and froze and starved to death all winter. Go to Pennsylvania and look at it. The United States government itself will take you on a tour of the place. It's right near the gianormous King-of-Prussia mall. He took precedence around there too evidently.
If people are so offended by history that they want to just leave the comment that American rebels died in only British camps and not under their own generals' warm winter windows, they better call the Doc and his DeLorean. Reporting me
like a clueless 5th grade hall monitor isn't going to alter time that's already gone by.
2,000 died in Valley Forge whereas 8,500 died as British POWs. But how did those 2,000 die in Valley Forge? It wasn't starvation. It was typhus, smallpox, and dysentery.
By the way, of the 20,000 Americans captured in the Revolutionary War 8,500 died. More Americans died as prisoners than died on the battlefield. With those odds I think I'd be a little more inclined to make a bayonet charge instead of surrendering. Although the true scope of the criminal mistreatment of prisoners was probably not well known during the war.
I always remember their names by a Dennis Miller news joke on SNL about the whereabouts of the bodies being unknown and that they had been ground up in the impoverished country for dog food, Puppy Ceaușescu.
I agree. I never heard of this guy so I googled him. Although the clown reference is an obvious hint, to suggest, even in jest, that his execution was due to not having a license to be a clown when the real reasons are so horrific is indeed in bad taste. Come on Quizmaster - you are better than that.
No I am not better than that. We can either close our eyes to the evil in the world or laugh at it. Don't let things beyond your control have power over you.
The biggest problem I see with the clue is that it could give some a fleeting false hope that the law had finally caught up with the Insane Clown Posse.
OK so the real answer to the serial killing clown one is just a gap in my knowledge, but in the absence of a correct answer I wasn't going to *not* try "Pennywise" just in case...
No, I was not arguing that you should decapitate Catholics. Though that isn't necessarily the worst idea.
I see you remember the previous conversation and that I don't believe in retributive justice but I still see that this is how most justice systems around the world work whether they incorporate the death penalty or not.
The English stopped it in 1747, while the French continued with guillotine until abolishment of death penalty in 1980 ... (1977 was actually the last beheading in western world)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_the_American_Revolutionary_War#Prison_ships
If people are so offended by history that they want to just leave the comment that American rebels died in only British camps and not under their own generals' warm winter windows, they better call the Doc and his DeLorean. Reporting me
like a clueless 5th grade hall monitor isn't going to alter time that's already gone by.
You could add Ceaușescu.
You should allow for alternative spellings of the Russian tsar: Nikolai, Nikolaus, Nikolaj, Nicolai, etc.