Why? Is it amusing when citizens of Germany call themselves German? Do you believe that at the dawn of homo sapiens sapiens there were already Germans? ALL of the groups in this quiz are designations that have been around fewer than 2,000 years or so. In many cases fewer than the few hundred years that the USA has existed. Identifying with any one of them is every bit as silly (or not) as identifying with the label of "American," if you think about it.
My guess is that pensta was referring to the fact that American can be taken to mean anyone from North or South America, so basically the entire western hemisphere. Of course, probably most people think USA when someone says "I'm American."
The Chinese, Indians, and Native Americans have existed as ethnic groups much longer than 2,000 years. Germans are at least 2,000 years old, and you could make a pretty reasonable argument that Italians have been around since the days of the Roman Republic.
Jenkins, you serious? You think that 2,000 years ago there were "Native Americans?" There were people back that that we would today describe as Olmec. We really don't know much about what people were living in most of North America at the time as they had no written language and left little archaeological evidence. There were thousands of different wildly disparate tribes of people all over North America by the time Europeans showed up and started documenting them. They didn't become "Native Americans"- crudely lumped together in a giant all-encompassing group that really just meant people indigenous to North America and had nothing to do with their ethnicity, until after the arrival of Europeans on the continent which made being indigenous something meaningful. Germans are an ethnic group that first arose in the Middle Ages, much less than 2000 years ago. Like many of these European ethnicities they include disparate peoples, united by labels applied by outsiders (Romans in this case).
Qin Shi Huang was the first emperor to unite China. That was little more than 2000 years ago. Today, China is *still* facing the problem of trying to convince all Chinese people that they are actually Chinese. There are tens if not hundreds of millions of people identified as Chinese who don't speak the official language of China, and 56 ethnic groups formally recognized by the government of China even though all of these people are Chinese by nationality, and their descendants in America would likely self-identify as Chinese-American. They get lumped together into the ethnicity of "Chinese" because of contemporary political realities. Chinese did not exist as a meaningful ethnicity for all time, either. and certainly not more than about 2200 years ago. Much longer than being German has meant something, but still not really that much longer than being American has meant something, in the grand scheme. That's all the time for history lessons I've got for today.
"That's all the time for history lessons I've got for today."
Kalbahamut, I give history lessons for a living- five of them of a day, five days a week to honors and AP high school students. We can disagree, but unless you're a PhD with a position at a university, a little humility would be appreciated.
gandalf, and we're laughing at you behind yours, or in plain sight as the case may be. I could list all the reasons why but there's a character limit. so, enjoy.
Dunkingandalf, calling ourselves Americans doesn't negate people from two continents. We are all either North Americans or South Americans continentally. The problem is when people are taught that there is only one continent here and it is called America. That is what negates all of our identities.
Native American hasn't been an ethnic group since the first century? I...just...I can't. Also, most South American countries consider using 'American' as 'Usonian' rude.
In defense of Khalbahamut in regards to the JenkinsEar many professors and educational institutions in North America have a liberal slant and scew in the way they teach their material to students.
I've been a university professor myself. I don't look at things in terms of what's liberal or conservative, but rather what can be demonstrated to be true through evidence and what cannot.
I understand that there are other countries in the large landmass called America, but what would we Americans call ourselves otherwise? "North Americans" doesn't work because that included Canada. "United States of Americans" just sounds ridiculous.
Why would anyone feel the need for a change? It's not like people from Canada, Mexico, or South America call themselves American, do they? Or have they started, just in order to invent a new reason to be mad at the USA?
Just had another conversation today with the taxi driver here in Skopje. He asked where I was from. I said "the US." He said what? I said "USA." He's like huh? I said "the states. The United States." He's all "come again?" I said "I'm American. From America." Him finally: "oooooh! America!"
South Americans have been calling themselves Americans for quite a long time. It's considered rude there to use American as a term for U.S. residents, and why shouldn't it be? The Federated States of Micronesia are known as the Federated States because Micronesia means all of the Oceanic island countries, not just them.
Aesthus: yeah, that's total baloney. Source? This is completely fabricated outrage and has only been around for a few decades at best. It's also only become a popular meme in a handful of countries, notably the ones that are most hateful toward the USA in their popular current politics, like Colombia.
I've been hanging around the Balkans lately- Greece, Macedonia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Albania.... this point has really been driven home by my experience here. It's funny how every nationalist movement must invent some sort of creation myth, tracing the roots of the nation, and by nation I mean people, to some ancient BS starting point. I visited the "Museum of the Macedonian Struggle" in both Thessaloniki and Skopje... not surprisingly they tell *very* different stories.
If you take it for granted that any "people" around today have always been around, or their ancestors always thought of themselves in the same way, or that some ancient term designating a group of people, co-opted by a modern nation-state, has always meant the same thing and referred to the same group of people, or that nationalism or race are anything other than a lie... you're ignorant of history. Full stop.
Americans are as much a people as any other, with their own creation myths.
Think about it guys (and this is coming from a person who lives in Hawaii, a part of the US)... South America and North America. Technically Argentinians are American. So are Hondurans. So are Mexicans. We all live in America, and just because we as the US are part of North America doesn't mean we get to call ourselves American, because there are countless other countries in South and North and Central America that are technically that as well. In Spanish we're even called "USAians". Think about it. Estadounidense. The Spanish don't believe we're the only Americans and why should they? They're right. I sound stupid.
This was a great quiz but the only niggling problem I found was that it didn't include dual national identities in the description. I would recommend including this in the description as I would have guessed scotch Irish but when I found out Scot and Irish were separate answers I did not bother to include them. Great quiz though!
that only applies to a single answer though. and the "self-reported" clue could be enough to tip you off, since those that identify as "Scotch-Irish" are either too mixed up to identify as either Scottish or Irish, or ignorant of whether they are more one than the other. Like pretty much all people on Earth today, most Americans don't know much about their family history beyond maybe their great grandparents' generation, if that.
Yep, the Scots-Irish are more akin to the Northern Irish/ Ulstermen than either mainland Scots or southern Irish. They were "imported" by the English from Scotland in the 1600s to "colonize" Ireland. When absentee English landlords began raising rents and Anglican clergymen began restricting their Presbyterian faith, the Scots-Irish began to emigrate to the American colonies, particularly the southern Appalachians. There, they began making bourbon and bluegrass.
Interesting quiz. I learned a lot. I was VERY surprised that Czech was not one of the options. I even put in czechoslovakian - because I thought it HAD to be there. I'm not Czech myself - but I live in Nebraska, where there are a lot of Czech immigrants. I also messed up by putting in Welch instead of Welsh - so I missed that one,.
Yep, my mom is from there! She's as Czech as you can get. But I think that the population of the Czech Republic (or Czechoslovakia), especially back when loads of people were coming to Ellis Island, is/was very small, so that's why it isn't on here. In New York where we are, you really have to look hard for other Czech people. However, they are VERY proud of their country.
Kind of amusing to see the JetPunk approximation of a flame war. Lots more educational and still pretty civilized.
I remember hearing somewhere that one year the census asked people if they were "Central American" or "South American." Enough Midwesterners and Southerners misinterpreted the question that they completely skewed the data.
and.. took it again. Got everything this time though took me a while to remember French Canadian was on here. I think that's another interesting quirk of using self-identified labels as answers... there are no doubt more non-French Canadians in the US than there are French Canadians, but I bet the ones with non-French-Canadian ancestry identify as "European" or "English" etc... or maybe even "American." To those with French Canadian ancestry the label is more important to them, so that's the answer they give.
I was wondering if some people tried Latino, which isn't on here. Hispanic literally means "of or relating to the country of Spain or Spanish language or culture"... and it includes people from Spain. Spanish usually only means people from Spain, but I've seen plenty of Latinos (people from Latin America) refer to themselves as Spanish before.
Missed: Filipino, American, Hispanic, Scotch-Irish, French Canadian and European. Pure silliness to have separate categories and then a hold-all catergory at the bottom of it, I don't think any census gets any usable results this way. What anyway are Scotch-Irish? There was Scottish and Irish already, a common mix? We could have any number of categories that way...
The census was not trying to identify who was what, what people call themselves. It was not meant to be an accurate measurement of the different heritages. Most likely, those that identified as 'European' know they came from somewhere in Europe, but not the exact location. Many Americans I know simply don't know their heritage, or it's so ridiculously confused and complicated, they just call themselves 'European,' 'African,' or 'Asian.'
I mean, African American is also on there - that's just as vague as European. Like The Director said, people know their ancestry is from somewhere on a continent, but not specifically.
Well what in the world defines American? The original inhabitants of the United States were the Native American tribes. Aren't "Americans" immigrants from other countries?
I missed American, too. I tried Filippino, Philippino, but not the spelling given. Was surprised by the absence of Japanese, Korean and other Asian origins. But then again, I live on the west coast, so my views are skewed.
Most African-Americans have no idea where there ancestors in Africa came from, nor did the majority of them come when the nation states of today existed.
Many of the so-called African-American people have other ancestors included in their genetic makeup, even the great Muhammad Ali was part Irish. So it is very difficult to itemise their ancestors, although many fully African people (emigrated to USA from Africa) call themselves African-American but are not really so.
Because the US only has one category for all black people essentially: African American, but of course, this is not indicative of all experiences. E.g. what if you're a black person from the Caribbean and migrate to the US? Or Black British and live in the US?
While I'm not African-American myself, I do find it a bit problematic that all Black people are lumped together like that. While trying to avoid oversimplifying, there are essentially 3 main groups of Black people in America: 1. long-time residents descended from slaves brought directly to the US (the largest group) 2. immigrants from Caribbean countries like Jamaica (a pretty large group) and 3. immigrants from African countries like Nigeria and Ghana (a smaller group but one that's rapidly growing). All these sub-groups of African-Americans have very different cultures and experiences. For example, group 1 tends to be less educated than the average American while group 3 has the highest educational attainment of any group in America, even more so than Asians. The term "African-American" fails to capture the true complexity and diversity of Black communities in the US.
First, these are self-reported identities. You don't get to decide whether they are correct (or "problematic").
Second, there's no reason to think the subcategories you suggest weren't also self-reported. They just didn't get used in sufficient numbers to make this list.
Third, there are a million ways every one of these groups has a diversity of experiences within it. That's entirely beyond the scope of the question and a total non sequitur.
Fourth, your comment ranking your self-selected categories according to education is just weird. You: 1. Yay, Nigerians and Ghanaians, you win! 2. Asians (they're pretty much all the same) are impressive too. 3. Everybody else. 4. Except you slave descendants, you're at the bottom.
When you start a comment with a disclaimer like "While I'm not African-American myself..." you're probably better off not commenting.
Okay, enough of this nonsense. We ALL came from Adam & Eve, made different by the climates we migrated to especially after the great flood. So, ethnically we are all HUMAN! - Just as our languages were created as a result of constructing the Tower
of Babel, so our hues adapted to the countries/weather we migrated to.
OK, enough of this nonsense. We ALL came from pirates, who came from a midgit, who was made by the Flying Spaghetti Monster may parmesan be upon him R'Amen. We were made different by the climates we migrated to especially after the FSM accidentally put his colander over the earth and drained his pasta onto it, causing a great flood. So ethnically we are all PIRATES!
Most people who identify as such generally inhabit the Deep South regions, and generally cannot trace their ancestry back 500+ years, although it is likely that they have ancestry within the British Isles.
I'm surprised not to see Vietnamese, considering the war that happened there. I was under the impression that the U.S. let in an influx of refugees. Did they just go back to Vietnam, or what?
There are over a million people of Vietnamese descent living in the United States and the USA is a lovelier and tastier place for it... but over a million divided into 320 million is less than half a percent.
For everyone that is one their high horse calm down. It was a self reported answer in which people were given the ability to fill in a blank. I know my heritage quite well but to be quite honest I have no idea how I would answer if only given one blank. I have ancestors that came from Ireland but were mostly Welsh, from Northumberland but were Scottish, French from Alsace Lorraine when it was a part of the German Empire, Prussians from the Austro-Hungarian Empire, Ashkenazi Jews from Prague. When people ask me what I am I say "just about every major European ancestry excluding Polish, Italian and Scandinavian." If I was asked to give a one word response I probably would have just filled in European.
Lmao at your description quizmaster. And after taking it I see it is not only funny but very necessary !
I took english as british and not as from england. My bad, so scottish and welsh makes sense
but the source made a mess with quite a few of the others! Perhaps leaving the swiss example out of the description? found it unneeded to start with, but in hindsight it actually steers you in the wrong direction that it is just countries we are looking for
But I applaud the braveness of putting this out here, standing here with a target painted on haha
if a person's ancestry is german,irish,english,welsh,scottish,italian,french,polish,norwegian,scotch-irish,swedish,danish,or spanish their ancestry is european
Kalbahamut, I give history lessons for a living- five of them of a day, five days a week to honors and AP high school students. We can disagree, but unless you're a PhD with a position at a university, a little humility would be appreciated.
Just had another conversation today with the taxi driver here in Skopje. He asked where I was from. I said "the US." He said what? I said "USA." He's like huh? I said "the states. The United States." He's all "come again?" I said "I'm American. From America." Him finally: "oooooh! America!"
If you take it for granted that any "people" around today have always been around, or their ancestors always thought of themselves in the same way, or that some ancient term designating a group of people, co-opted by a modern nation-state, has always meant the same thing and referred to the same group of people, or that nationalism or race are anything other than a lie... you're ignorant of history. Full stop.
Americans are as much a people as any other, with their own creation myths.
"American" is the correct term for someone from the USA. What else would it be? "united statesian?"
I remember hearing somewhere that one year the census asked people if they were "Central American" or "South American." Enough Midwesterners and Southerners misinterpreted the question that they completely skewed the data.
*shakes head* --- anyway, it was a fun quiz
In fact outside of some parts of Africa all humans in any place are immigrants.
Second, there's no reason to think the subcategories you suggest weren't also self-reported. They just didn't get used in sufficient numbers to make this list.
Third, there are a million ways every one of these groups has a diversity of experiences within it. That's entirely beyond the scope of the question and a total non sequitur.
Fourth, your comment ranking your self-selected categories according to education is just weird. You: 1. Yay, Nigerians and Ghanaians, you win! 2. Asians (they're pretty much all the same) are impressive too. 3. Everybody else. 4. Except you slave descendants, you're at the bottom.
When you start a comment with a disclaimer like "While I'm not African-American myself..." you're probably better off not commenting.
of Babel, so our hues adapted to the countries/weather we migrated to.
I took english as british and not as from england. My bad, so scottish and welsh makes sense
but the source made a mess with quite a few of the others! Perhaps leaving the swiss example out of the description? found it unneeded to start with, but in hindsight it actually steers you in the wrong direction that it is just countries we are looking for
But I applaud the braveness of putting this out here, standing here with a target painted on haha
It's Scots-Irish