I'm a daily crossword solver who hates having to leave the last letter blank when the answer is a Spanish word because its gender is up in the air. That and the lack of diacritical marks in crosswords makes a HUGE difference in the word's meaning: "año" and "ano" are not interchangeable.
New York should be accepted for the place where pizza was born. It's where the popular, world-famous variety was invented, and it starts with an "N". Food called pizza (pita) was being eaten long before the Greek colonists in Neapolis started mispronouncing it. But the stuff that everyone thinks of when they say the word now was invented in Little Italy in New York City.
According to the world, some US citizens may fantasize of, maybe pizza was born in New York, sushi in California, and Paella in San Francisco… but in reality no ;)
In reality, no, definitely not. Try reading what I wrote. I know it's probably difficult for you. But just give it a try. Maybe then try sampling "pizza" from Naples, and from New York, and then try pizza in Seoul, in Tokyo, in Manila, in New Delhi, in Riyadh, in Dubai, in San Francisco, in Miami, in Toronto, in Zagreb, in Athens, in Moscow, in Jerusalem, in Paris, in London, in Addis Ababa... as I have... and compare this to the "pizza" from Naples and pizza from New York. Then do some actual reading about the history of it, confirming every single thing I said above as 100% factual. Then you might actually know what you are talking about. I know it's probably satisfying to just spout off as if you do know, without having any information or experience to back up your claims, but I do recommend this other method. Humble suggestion.
Maybe if you weren't enormously condescending every time you tried to make someone understand your perspective you'd actually have a shot at succeeding. "Humble suggestion." For real dude, that was the least humble paragraph I've read on this site.
I wish that pizza had been invented in Brussels or Prague or Barcelona so I could just say that without all the inevitable comments from the insecure bigots whenever you mention the United States... but it wasn't.
Incidentally sushi is Japanese, though California rolls are American and maki sushi (sushi rolls) was popularized first in the United States by Japanese immigrants. However... if you eat sushi around the world you could get Japanese-style sushi or you could get American-style sushi or you might end up with some mix of the two. (my personal favorite might be Korean-style sushi) The same cannot be said for Neapolitan-style pizza which is not popular anywhere outside of southern Italy.
This is why I come to the comments sections of quizzes -- to see this level of bitter, petty debate. How do I subscribe for e-mail updates when people get around to debating whether pan pizza or Hawaiian pizza will count? ALSO -- is Hawaii considered an overseas territory for the purposes of this quiz????
'Popular, world famous variety' is the bit I take issue with. When I think of pizza, I think of proper Neapolitan-style pizza which, contrary to your statement, is extremely popular in the UK and Europe. Stonebaked/woodfired pizzerias springing up all over the place and I'd argue it's much more popular than the over-cheesed greasy American version. Also bears much more of a resemblance to the pita.
I'm not willing to debate what kind of pizza is best but I do think that "kalbahamut" has a point, sort of. Of course the basic idea of pizza comes from the Mediterranean, whether from Naples of somewhere else doesn't really matter. But is also true that while the original pizza was just bread, tomato and maybe cheese, probably most pizzaeaters in the world consider other stuffings as a basic element, too. Thus it is somewhat justified to say that when we speak about pizza we're actually speaking of two totally different things, one of which certainly was NOT invented in Naples.
To take the debate to next level: pineapple does NOT belong to pizza! Ugh, I've spoken.
The original comment from kalbahamut was fair - a suggestion that New York be accepted (he didn't say that Naples should not be). After all the question simply said where 'pizza' was born and pizza clearly means different things to different people. The New York style pizza was born in New York (even if the predecessor came from Italy and before that elsewhere). The Neapolitan style pizza was born in Naples (even if the origins were elsewhere). I personally got introduced to pizza as a child in the uk in the late 80s) early 90s and was certainly NY style however my pizza of choice is definitely now more akin to Neapolitan style (and this seems to be more and more common in UK now). I consider both to be pizza just different styles. There seems to be agreement that they have similar origins. Not sure why the need for angry debate. I appreciate kalbahamut's insights from his travels and intelligent analysis and one word answer caveat may have been added after his comments now v old!
or... you know that the foodstuff sold there and called pizza is not really pizza as it bears no resemblance to pizza from anywhere else, and you will also know what a greasy mushy glob of undercooked dough with a few drops of mozzarella and a spring of basil on it tastes like, and then you'll go have real pizza in Thessaloniki or Amsterdam or Bangkok or Washington or Berlin or literally anywhere else in the world where it is made with a semi-rigid golden brown crust, cut in to triangles that you can hold in one hand without it falling apart, with tomato sauce and cheese evenly distributed across the entire pie and savory toppings piled on top, exactly as it was originally made by Italian immigrants in New York City before becoming popular the world over.
And "pita" (pizza).. flatbread with toppings on it such as olive oil, cheese, zatar, sesame and so on.. originated in the Balkans, Anatolia and the Levant before being brought to Neapolis (Naples) by Greek colonists.
^ or you could choose to make comments the length of which correlate directly to your capacity for abstract thought or reading comprehension and continue to be wrong.
It looks like you and Quizmaster managed to find the worst tourist trap in Naples and had some pizza there. I was born and raised in your first example of "places with real pizza" and I can say without a doubt that the best pizza I've ever tasted was a margherita in Naples.
Okay, so I have eaten pizza in Naples recently. It's extremely overrated, IMO. I also didn't feel (and these are fighting words), that the places we visited put any personal pride into what they do. You are a pizza place, in the city that is famous for pizza. This is all you do. This is your life's work. Why wouldn't you do your best? And yet, it felt slipshod. The pizzas were cut into unequal parts as if a child had done it. The toppings (quattro staggioni) were just dumped unevenly on the pizza, soaking through the soggy crust.
I assume that movies like "Eat Pray Love" have permanently ruined Europe. It's just too easy to do crap work and sell to the hoards of tourists that will always come back no matter how bad you fail.
They're owned by Microsoft and there are models released these days, my grandpa likes to buy them because they're cheap and he doesn't mind mediocre quality for some reason
I am late to it, and this is not meant to be a comment about "America-bashing" or a complaint about quizzes being "too USA-centric." But the question clearly asks about the "city were pizza was born" and not where "it was popularized" or where "the best pizza is made."
"The term pizza was first recorded in the 10th century in a Latin manuscript from the Southern Italian town of Gaeta in Lazio, on the border with Campania."
"Raffaele Esposito is often credited for creating modern pizza in Naples. He was an Italian chef and owner of a tavern in Naples that had been founded in 1780."
Schwartz, Arthur (1998). Naples at Table: Cooking in Campania. Harper Collins. p. 68. ISBN 9780060182618.
"New York-style pizza evolved in the U.S. in New York City in the early 1900s, itself derived from the Neapolitan-style pizza made in Italy."
1. My father is 74 years old.
2. My potato has 74 anuses.
In Spanish, the only differences are the diacritics in año/ano and papá/papa.
According to the world, some US citizens may fantasize of, maybe pizza was born in New York, sushi in California, and Paella in San Francisco… but in reality no ;)
Incidentally sushi is Japanese, though California rolls are American and maki sushi (sushi rolls) was popularized first in the United States by Japanese immigrants. However... if you eat sushi around the world you could get Japanese-style sushi or you could get American-style sushi or you might end up with some mix of the two. (my personal favorite might be Korean-style sushi) The same cannot be said for Neapolitan-style pizza which is not popular anywhere outside of southern Italy.
To take the debate to next level: pineapple does NOT belong to pizza! Ugh, I've spoken.
1. Pizza as Americans know it evolved in New York but was born in Italy.
2. The instructions say every answer is one word. NYawk doesn't count.
By the way, if you have been in Naples and eaten pizza there, you know what real pizza is supposed to taste like!!
And "pita" (pizza).. flatbread with toppings on it such as olive oil, cheese, zatar, sesame and so on.. originated in the Balkans, Anatolia and the Levant before being brought to Neapolis (Naples) by Greek colonists.
Ah, the metaphysics of pizza.
I assume that movies like "Eat Pray Love" have permanently ruined Europe. It's just too easy to do crap work and sell to the hoards of tourists that will always come back no matter how bad you fail.
If you want good food, go to Japan or Taiwan.
"The term pizza was first recorded in the 10th century in a Latin manuscript from the Southern Italian town of Gaeta in Lazio, on the border with Campania."
https://web.archive.org/web/20030115224054/http://www.yourdictionary.com/library/pizza.html
"Raffaele Esposito is often credited for creating modern pizza in Naples. He was an Italian chef and owner of a tavern in Naples that had been founded in 1780."
Schwartz, Arthur (1998). Naples at Table: Cooking in Campania. Harper Collins. p. 68. ISBN 9780060182618.
"New York-style pizza evolved in the U.S. in New York City in the early 1900s, itself derived from the Neapolitan-style pizza made in Italy."
https://www.thespruceeats.com/what-is-new-york-style-pizza-2708764