I think if Turkey deserves a greyed out spot so would Georgia Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan. Probably just remove They grey spot for Turkey and emphasize it in a caveat
Yep, Kazakhstan is (partially) in Europe, based on common definition. So are (parts of) Azerbaijan and Georgia north of the Caucasus mountain range, but not Armenia. Cyprus is more contentious, but the northern (Turkish) part and northern Nicosia is generally regarded to be in Europe, but not the Greek (southern) majority. If we are to include the sections of countries that are actually part of Europe such as Russia and Turkey, we should certainly apply the same standard elsewhere, too.
You're arguing that the northern part, belonging to the mostly-Asian Turkey should be counted as Europe, while the southern majority, more closely tied to European Greece should be counted as Asian?
Norway happens to stretch quite a bit from the mainland west coast to the eastern border with Russia. Funny detail is that Norway is in both the most eastern and most western countries in Europe (and northern for that matter) ;)
Yeah, it doesn't help that the country is so far north that Kirkenes is roughly on the same longitude as Cairo, and Bergen a littler bit east of the Algiers.
The distance between the two meridians is roughly only 1,000 km at Kirkenes latitude, but it's more than 2,700 km at Cairo latitude.
A Mercator projection (or on any map) will always hold that kind of pitfalls. The furthest we go towards the poles, the most the notion of East and West becomes irrelevant.
White Island, the easternmost point of Norway is at the same longitude as Ankara, and Jan Mayen, the westernmost point, is at the same longitude as Lisbon.
Surely its not the most western. Iceland, UK and Ireland (even Denmark if you include overseas territory). Norway is nowhere near the most western country in Europe
No, it's not. Optical illusion as a result of flattening the globe. Look at a map with lines of longitude and you will see that although marginal, the easternmost point of Latvia is east of that of Estonia.
That is the trouble, you shouldnt look at the map but at a globe. Still, not that obvious at first glance, cause the two áre close. 28 14' and 28 12' degrees (1/30 of a degree difference so about 3-4 km so about 2-2.5 miles)
Since you are basing the quiz on the easternmost points of Europe, it would be great to include the countries with territory in Europe that Jetpunk don't consider European (Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Turkey).
I completely agree that these shouldn't be considered European for other purposes, but they still have territory in Europe.
Considering the lines of control, Latvia reaches eversoslightly further east than Estonia. If you consider the borders agreed on in the Treaty of Tartu, Estonia reaches further east.
because they reach further east... finland simply is east, and norway reaches over the top towards russia. Not hard to miss on a map. If you ever looked at a map that had scandinavia on it you d see norway reaching over.(And ok, not realisong how far is another thing, but surely you would ve remember the general shape, and think ah thats why, ofcourse..
Got them all with 0:50 remaining at 4:50:19 PM on February 22, 2019. I almost forgot Norway. But in the end I didn't, and now with the 5 point increase, to 852 points, I have reached Level 31.
Don't write "you" when you mean "I" ... you're the one who always thinks Norway-Sweden-Finland West-to-East - I don't think that at all. I know that Norway and Finland border Russia and Sweden does not. ...and when referring to distance, it's "farther" not "further"
steve diverse, that is not correct. Further and farther are interchangeable, but farther tends to only be used when describing actual distances. Further can be used for actual distances and is a much more common word, and is additionally used in various abstract and metaphorical contexts, for example referring to time, in which farther is unusual.
I never would have thought of this, but are those Greek islands just off the southern (clearly Mediterranean/not Aegean) shore of Asian Turkey really considered Europe? I think it's Kastellorizo and surrounding islands that cause Greece to appear to the east of European Turkey and Bulgaria in this list. The only basis for assigning them to Europe would be political. Evan for Aegean islands, I would think that the continental border between Aegean islands would be based on some sort of geographers' consensus as to the main channel of the Aegean.
Ye..., technically Norway's easternmost part is at Kvitøya, Svalbard, and not on the 'continental' part of the country. If Svalbard wasn't included, then Norway would not be more east than Finland or Belarus.
As a Norwegian myself, I think it would be more accurate to use continental Norway as the correct value, not Svalbard. Yes, Svalbard is part of Norway, but also not really.
So with my rough estimates, the easternmost part of Norway is around 31°16'E
I agree. When I answered Norway, I thought the continental part above Finland. As you said, the Eastern coordinates would be over 31, and also with that Norway would easily be on this list.
You should add a caveat that Georgia, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan are not included. The fact that you say "Based on their easternmost point in Europe" implies that these would be included.
Cyprus? When i was in college, it was in atlases as Asian, but since then (and its entry into the European Union), it has been widely considered a European country.
I think it is really mistaken of the latitude, because the earth is not up-down, which means it is tipped off its axis a little. Creating illusions to the human mind.
stay on track pplz
You're arguing that the northern part, belonging to the mostly-Asian Turkey should be counted as Europe, while the southern majority, more closely tied to European Greece should be counted as Asian?
What?
The distance between the two meridians is roughly only 1,000 km at Kirkenes latitude, but it's more than 2,700 km at Cairo latitude.
A Mercator projection (or on any map) will always hold that kind of pitfalls. The furthest we go towards the poles, the most the notion of East and West becomes irrelevant.
Estonia 59°22'12.0"N+28°12'36.5"E
Latvia 56°16'37.7"N+28°14'28.9"E
I completely agree that these shouldn't be considered European for other purposes, but they still have territory in Europe.
Based on this, if Turkey (why not) than Kazakhstan / Georgia / Azerbaijan are Europe too. Partly. Armenia not.
Something have to be corrected.
As a Norwegian myself, I think it would be more accurate to use continental Norway as the correct value, not Svalbard. Yes, Svalbard is part of Norway, but also not really.
So with my rough estimates, the easternmost part of Norway is around 31°16'E