it is unknown. But usually right groups way over inflate the numbers, A politican here in AZ said 15 million a year, and then there are other groups that say it is like 5K a year.. it lies somewhere in hte middle but closer to 5K than 15 million.. whatever the case, building a fence isn't the answer it is more complex than that
The wall is part of a larger comprehensive immigration reform plan -- Raise Act, Visa reform, ending chain migration, ending the lottery program, increased border security and number of officers etc. The wall itself will only accomplish so much, but when combined with these other actions it is an integral part of a bigger plan to keep Americans safe.
roley: yeah that's absurd. If we want to be kind to the politician in question we could say he got confused and quoted the number of Mexican immigrants in the US in total, not that come annually, and the number is probably close to being right.
tshalla: you're oversimplifying.
UrinePig: everything Trump has planned- though calling it a plan is really giving him way more credit than he deserves, let's say everything Trump was word vomited- is some combination of stupid, counter-productive, redundant, or unnecessary. All of it is red meat thrown to his supporters that are bigots, racists and xenophobes. Very little of it is informed by anything like a constructive policy idea. The small bits that are are things that have been fed to him by the likes of Steve Bannon who see themselves as defenders of Western civilization and immigration as corrosive. While I don't disagree with Bannon on everything these people are at best ignorant and misguided.
Yeah, TinklePork, you really drunk the Kool Aid on that one. The wall is complete nonsense - incredibly expensive, ineffective and completely redundant even if it were effective.
An enormous portion of the border is the Rio Grande. Out of curiosity, what there? You can't run it through the middle of an international waterway, can't put it on Mexican land, so...just block off American access to one of the major rivers of the U.S., the only substantial water hole for people anywhere along that arid stretch of country?
@kalbahamut I personally do not support Trump, but my best friend is a Trump supporter and he's not a bigot, racist, or xenophobe. Just be careful throwing around sentences like that.
senex: the commutative property can be applied to everyone. I don't know how left wing you are, but by the commutative property liberals are socialists and socialists are liberals; most people who identify as either would strongly disagree with this. I do agree that Trump is absolutely terrible, but when there's literally only two major parties the commutative property really falls flat. (Disclaimer: I may be misunderstanding what you mean by commutative property.)
"his supporters that are bigots" could be read to mean the portion of his supporters that fit that description. It doesn't have to be read to mean all of his supporters are bigots. Which I don't believe is true. Some Trump supporters are not racists or bigots, they're just okay with racism and bigotry. Or they literally never turn on the news.
The comment "The comment "The comment "this hasn't aged well" hasn't aged well. Just say what you mean." hasn't aged well." has aged well. I vote for jarmez to challenge Quizmaster to a chessboxing match, the winner goes home with ownership of the website and the lease to jarmez's home.
500k per year seems quite a realistic, if you are just counting bodies crossing from Mexico. At least half of them is surely not Mexican but running running through Mexico from countries like Honduras, Guatemala, Nicaragua, El Salvador and maybe even some of the islands in Caribbean.
Why don't we have an e-verification system like Canada and most other countries? Why has our asylum system been repeatedly chipped away to give protections to people never intended to be protected by the law?
Whether you think immigration should be higher or lower, it's unfair to the American populace to expand immigration by blocking undermining enforcement.
According to Pew, the highest number of refugees in 2016 came from D.R. Congo (16,300). About 9,000 came from Somalia, so even if refugees were counted (which I'm assuming they were not) Somalia would not quite make it onto this list.
[and I realize this question is old enough that maybe the numbers are different, but I found a report from 2014 that also cites 9000 refugees for that year: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2014.pdf]
I was surprised that some countries were not on the list but figured it had to do with the "permanent residence status". Not all immigrants get a permanent residence status right when immigrating. There's always people with limited visas that would probably rise the numbers if included. If I got this right.
Indeed. From friends at school whose families eventually got Green cards, it seems to take 2~14 years to get through the process *after* you meet the requirements to apply.
Nobody gets permanent residence right when they immigrate. It takes at least 5 years and thousands of dollars, even via the easiest routes (eg, marriage).
As a matter of fact part of Ireland is in the UK. Maybe advisable to use "Eire" when you mean only the Republic. But even then perhaps that would mean the whole island to some.
Has anyone studied the stats comparing Canada & Us on things like murder rates and other violence? Incarceration rates? Life expectancy? Infant mortality? overall education? It goes on and on. I have traveled every state in US (except Hawaii), have many friends and family collections there. However -- I feel Canada is safer, kinder, more democratic, etc. Yes -- I'm biased, but also there are facts that entirely support what I am saying.
I would say for the people that are moving those statistics don't matter much. The reasonably wealthy who can afford to move can probably manage to avoid breaking the law, take care of their health, have healthy children, get a good education, etc. Just because a country has poor people, obese people, people who make bad choices and do drugs, etc. doesn't mean that everyone in that country or who moves to that country is going to have a reduced standard of living. Just because the US overall has a higher rate of incarceration and a lower life expectancy doesn't actually mean that a person who moves from Canada to the US is suddenly more likely to get arrested or die.
Most everything you listed in your stats are personal lifestyle choices. If you choose to live in bad neighborhoods, bad things will happen -- I would be willing to bet the same could be said of Canada. Incarceration? Don't commit any crimes and this won't be a problem for you. Life expectancy? Again, where and how you live determines that -- as it would in Canada. Why does overall education matter to you if you have an education? If you're talking quality for your children, private schools are top notch. While I have no doubt I wouldn't mind living in Canada, I'm not yet ready to give up on the US. Both have positives and both have negatives. It's what you do in your own life with those life choices that make either or both country ideal for you.
There are many areas in the US where the public schools are much better than the private schools and also among the best in the world. But it's a big country.
Zoned for rich neighborhoods? What? Public schools are paid for by local tax dollars. So, if you have a rich neighborhood, the schools in that neighborhood end up being better-funded. It's just a natural occurrence of having locally-run school districts.
Also, good points Frost and Kapul, and fair enough Clovers, but... for the overwhelming majority of people including most that are included in these stats, they move for economic reasons. Jobs, salary, opportunity... with smaller numbers moving for other reasons.
Statistically speaking, Canada does not have a hot desert. So if a Canadian person wants to live in a big city in a hot desert in a place that is culturally and physically close. Probably has more to do with not shoveling snow than other factors, such as health care and the glaring superiority of our 3-color flag vs. their 2-color one.
oh come on, kiwi, that was obviously a joke. Though if we're going to take it seriously I do find Canada's and pretty much any bi-color flags to be bland.
Honestly, I wish more people cared about flag design. The US and Canadian flags are both solid examples of good design (the US flag flirts with being over-complicated, but makes up for it in symbolism). National Flags are usually pretty good, though tending towards the bland, but state/province/county and especially city flags are often really really bad.
I think I prefer the Canadian flag over the US flag, but I don't die-hard love either of them. The Kazakhstan flag on the other hand is truly a work of art! (I'm not joking, I think Kazakhstan's flag is beautiful)
I love the Uk's one and the Nordic country's flag (NOT SWEDEN, IKEA HAS TRAUMATIZED ME) also St Lucia and many island countries have beautiful flags. Personally, I think some middle eastern, balkan and African flags are horrible simply because they are way too similar
As a Canadian, people like to oversimplify things, but for Americans it really is a 'grass is greener on the other side' type of situation. Depending on your career choice, the US may be a much more innovative and competitive market, with higher salaries than in Canada. People move for opportunity, they don't look at statistics on the Global Peace Index or the HDI rankings and choose from there. Canadians like to cling to these statistics too, due to our perceived lack of acknowledgement and distinctiveness from the US on the world stage, but life in Canada is still part of a general North American flavour.
Part of my strategy for this quiz was just to guess all the nationalities of immigrants in my area, since I live 10 minutes away from the US border. Then I guessed a bunch of Latin American that were close to the US. Funny though that it never occurred to me that Canada is also close to the US.... *facepalm*
This was HARD especially if you arent from the usa. The countries we get the bulk of immigrants from werent event on the list! Hardly any arab countries, actually, just egypt. And no turkey
Much easier for Eastern Europeans these days to migrate to Western Europe. Especially since some Eastern European countries are now in the EU, and the Iron Curtain has come down. The biggest waves of East European immigrants to the United States occurred from the early to mid 19th century and on into the mid 20th century, with a huge spike from about 1880 to 1920, and another large increase after World War 2. Not a whole lot coming in these days, comparatively speaking.
Tried the major Central American countries, when I saw Guatemala was last on the list I assumed El Salvador wouldn't be there... Must be bad in the land of the Saviour.
El Salvador hasn't been in a good spot recently. Corruption is rife (or at least it has been) and gangs hold huge influence in the country. For many years, gangs were effectively more powerful than the government. It looks like things finally started getting a bit better in 2020, though I don't know if those successes will continue or how long their impact will last.
Guatemala was in a horrible spot for a while too. Their civil war and most recent dictatorship ended in 1996, and the government seems to have been a democracy since. However, the same has been true of El Salvador since 1992. I'm truthfully not sure how the situation in Guatemala compares.
I'd be interested to see this but with what % of a countries population has immigrated to the US. For example a much lower % of China's population are immigrants to the US than Jamaica
I love this idea! It would be super interesting and most of the list would be completely different. I'd imagine a lot of small Caribbean countries would be on the list. For example there are over 30k people in the US who were born in Grenada, but only about 120k people in Grenada itself.
The fact that it is one of the more developed countries in the Caribbean is likely why it’s as high as it is. People can probably get an okay education which makes it more feasible to move to another country, and higher incomes make it so that they can afford to immigrate to the US, unlike a lot of other countries.
I don't know if it's super crazy to have a landlocked South Asian country on there - Afghanistan is a landlocked Central Asian (?) country and has similar numbers.
The second link on Google says: "As of 2019, there were 198,000 Nepalis living in the United States." https://aapihistorymuseum.org/nepali-migration-to-the-united-states/
Afghanistan is presumably on there for reasons related to war and the history of relations or non-relations between the countries. Nepal is a bit harder to justify in that sense.
There are a lot of areas of the country where there are Nepali-owned businesses everywhere; for example, near where I live in rural southeastern PA, there's a whole street essentially dedicated to Nepali businesses, something that's a rare find outside of major cities. Nepalis have immigrated here much like other South Asian group--economic opportunity--and many move here with their whole families, aunts, uncles, cousins, and grandparents included. And to add to this, a lot of ethnic Nepali-speakers in America are refugees from Bhutan who faced discrimination and ethnic cleansing--not sure if this is reflected here because their country of origin would be Bhutan and they mostly identify as Bhutanese, but either way, they make a significant number of the "Nepali" immigrants where I live.
tshalla: you're oversimplifying.
UrinePig: everything Trump has planned- though calling it a plan is really giving him way more credit than he deserves, let's say everything Trump was word vomited- is some combination of stupid, counter-productive, redundant, or unnecessary. All of it is red meat thrown to his supporters that are bigots, racists and xenophobes. Very little of it is informed by anything like a constructive policy idea. The small bits that are are things that have been fed to him by the likes of Steve Bannon who see themselves as defenders of Western civilization and immigration as corrosive. While I don't disagree with Bannon on everything these people are at best ignorant and misguided.
Whether you think immigration should be higher or lower, it's unfair to the American populace to expand immigration by blocking undermining enforcement.
It must be dying down from when it was big in the middle of the last decade.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/01/30/key-facts-about-refugees-to-the-u-s/
[and I realize this question is old enough that maybe the numbers are different, but I found a report from 2014 that also cites 9000 refugees for that year: https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Refugees_Asylees_2014.pdf]
2. England is more like a state within the UK, much like Scotland or Wales.
If you are born into a poor neighbourhood you do not have any choice. Most people who live in poor neighbourhoods are born in poor neighbourhoods.
At least in Canada people have access to universal health care and a reasonably compatible education.
I’d be laughing if it wasn’t so horrifying.
But who cares what it looks like? It's just a symbol
This video is worth your time on the subject.
Guatemala was in a horrible spot for a while too. Their civil war and most recent dictatorship ended in 1996, and the government seems to have been a democracy since. However, the same has been true of El Salvador since 1992. I'm truthfully not sure how the situation in Guatemala compares.
I thought this country was the best of in the Caribbean? Why so much immigration?
The second link on Google says: "As of 2019, there were 198,000 Nepalis living in the United States." https://aapihistorymuseum.org/nepali-migration-to-the-united-states/
It's not really an outlier, it's for the same reason as India