Solid quiz. And reasonable breakdown which shows that this is less about reality than prejudice. Though.. I think I would just group the last 3 together as "countries with foreign policy deliberately belligerent and antagonistic toward the United States who have mistakenly conflated Israel with the US." Cuba and North Korea aren't really Communist, anyway. And Venezuela is not really Socialist. They're all just countries led by corrupt authoritarian governments who use these words as an excuse for autocracy. The DPRK removed all references to Communism from its Constitution in 2009 - so in their case they're not even pretending anymore.
Of course in the case of the first two, their stance toward Israel is largely a holdover of the Cold War when the USSR was more closely aligned with Syria and Egypt pre-Sadat, and the US was more aligned with Israel post-'67 or at least post-'73, and they were just following the Soviets' lead. So, fair enough categorization.
Fair point, but "countries with foreign policy deliberately belligerent and antagonistic toward the United States who have mistakenly conflated Israel with the US" is a bit too long for the table. While it's debatable whether there has ever truly been a Communist state, the fact that the party in power is called the Communist Party of Cuba and the Workers' Party of Korea is good enough to list them as Communist for the sake of simplicity in this quiz.
Don't know how you define support, but I define proud sponsor as a nation who has been giving Israel billions of dollars worth of military aid every year for decades. That's just the usa for now.
Other countries give similar amounts of aid relative to their defense budget. Other Western countries have evangelicals who can't wait for Jesus to come back and end the world.
I could be giving similar amounts of aid according to my budget. The reality is that Israel has been able to fight the Arabs for so long because the United States want them to. Israel exists where and how it does because the United States want them to.
You've broken nothing to anyone, some of us just know more about the subject than you do. Your follow-up comments are laughably biased and wrong, as well.
Many Christians, myself included, understand that God gave the land to Israel. And yet Israel currently "occupies" a very tiny percentage of that.
Even if you don't believe the Bible, the Balfour Declaration gives Israel the right to it. And to defend themselves when threatened.
Every time a 2 state solution has been presented, it was not the Israelis who rejected the deal. And when they have given up land, it resulted in their enemies using that territory to launch rockets further into Israel, proving that giving up more land will never solve the problem.
And the propaganda coming from the opposition is ridiculous. There is no apartheid and the non-Israelis who live in "Palestine" are not treated as second-class citizens.
With all of the anti-Semitism in the world, why should Muslims be the ones demanding more land? Israel is the size of New Jersey and they cannot even be left in peace to live there without people trying to force them out. It's not just sad, it's evil.
The Biblical Kingdom of Israel had quite different borders from the State of Israel. (Here's a decent comparison from Pinterest.) The land given to the Israelites by God didn't include the Negev or the Gulf of Aqaba.
God and the Bible aren't good arguments for recognition of the State of Israel, even in religious circles. A strong argument is that a stateless people that was nearly exterminated, would always experience hate and oppression as minorities in anyone else's country. They had earned a homeland through millennia of anti-Semitism and expulsion, and the Holocaust. That granting them a state in their ancestral homeland necessarily antagonized the Arabs living in the region is unfortunate, but there was never going to be a solution that would make everyone happy.
It's just untrue that Israel beat the Arabs primarily because of U.S. support. In 1948, 1967 and 1973, there was minimal U.S. aid. The aid started mostly with the Camp David Agreement where Israel and Egypt made peace, and the U.S. committed to supplying both sides with weaponry for their defense. We have since given billions to Israel and (fewer) billions to Egypt.
During the Cold War, the US and USSR fought proxy wars through allies. The US allied with Israel, so the USSR allied with their Arab neighbors. Other Communist countries opposed Israel in solidarity with the USSR.
To preface, just answering the question, not injecting my own opinion, even if I only know the answer by just now asking a Leninist I know.
In Leninism, the self-determination of nations and anti-imperialism are of utmost importance, and in fact each of those are entire books written by Lenin. Since Israel was established by the British Empire and is an apartheid settler-colony (not trying to be inflammatory, that's straight from the United Nations https://undocs.org/A/HRC/4/17 and the African National Congress https://www.haaretz.com/1.5001173), the state of Israel is considered oppressive by Leninists and they think it should be replaced by a state that does not officially prioritize any religion or nationality. Also, Communist countries suffer under near-universal blockades, like Gaza and the West Bank do, so there's probably a solidarity factor there too.
What an outrageous load of crap. Jesus. Oh yeah, no opinions injected here at all.... or maybe they're not your opinions but those of your friend who labels himself a devotee of thuggish gangster V.I. Lenin.
sumguy's explanation is much more accurate. Israel had strong socialist leanings early on before decades later eventually pivoting toward the US. But both the US and the USSR frequently abandoned or ignored their own stated principles during the Cold War when it came to trying to win countries to their own sphere of influence. Egypt, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Cuba, Iran, etc... all pivoted from one to the other, in various directions, and rarely did much change when they did. Swapping out one dictator for another.
"Anti-imperialism is of utmost importance to Leninism"... did you honestly type that with a straight face? Yeah. The USSR was SO concerned with self-determination...tell that to the Estonians, the Czechs, the Afghans, the Georgians, Eastern Poles, Ukrainians, etc etc etc
There may be countries that support Palestine's claim to Israel. For everyone else, it's about denying or failing to recognize the legitimacy of the state of Israel and its government, which doesn't require recognizing the land as belong to anyone else or no one.
Honestly it's stunning the number of Arab countries that outright recognize Israel now. For decades it seemed like it would always be zero. Now its:
* Egypt
* Jordan
* Morocco
* Bahrain
* UAE
Oman is rumored to be next. Saudi Arabia may not even be many years away! But through the entire Arab world, the notion that Israel is THE big geopolitical story has markedly faded. Israel is increasingly just another country.
But what do you have to offer them to bring them on board?
"Until 2020, no other member state of the United Nations had ever officially recognized Moroccan sovereignty over parts of Western Sahara. In 2020, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara in exchange for Moroccan normalization of relations with Israel."
Of course in the case of the first two, their stance toward Israel is largely a holdover of the Cold War when the USSR was more closely aligned with Syria and Egypt pre-Sadat, and the US was more aligned with Israel post-'67 or at least post-'73, and they were just following the Soviets' lead. So, fair enough categorization.
Hate to break it to you but the US are a proud sponsor of Israel and the Palestinian genocide.
Even if you don't believe the Bible, the Balfour Declaration gives Israel the right to it. And to defend themselves when threatened.
Every time a 2 state solution has been presented, it was not the Israelis who rejected the deal. And when they have given up land, it resulted in their enemies using that territory to launch rockets further into Israel, proving that giving up more land will never solve the problem.
And the propaganda coming from the opposition is ridiculous. There is no apartheid and the non-Israelis who live in "Palestine" are not treated as second-class citizens.
With all of the anti-Semitism in the world, why should Muslims be the ones demanding more land? Israel is the size of New Jersey and they cannot even be left in peace to live there without people trying to force them out. It's not just sad, it's evil.
God and the Bible aren't good arguments for recognition of the State of Israel, even in religious circles. A strong argument is that a stateless people that was nearly exterminated, would always experience hate and oppression as minorities in anyone else's country. They had earned a homeland through millennia of anti-Semitism and expulsion, and the Holocaust. That granting them a state in their ancestral homeland necessarily antagonized the Arabs living in the region is unfortunate, but there was never going to be a solution that would make everyone happy.
In Leninism, the self-determination of nations and anti-imperialism are of utmost importance, and in fact each of those are entire books written by Lenin. Since Israel was established by the British Empire and is an apartheid settler-colony (not trying to be inflammatory, that's straight from the United Nations https://undocs.org/A/HRC/4/17 and the African National Congress https://www.haaretz.com/1.5001173), the state of Israel is considered oppressive by Leninists and they think it should be replaced by a state that does not officially prioritize any religion or nationality. Also, Communist countries suffer under near-universal blockades, like Gaza and the West Bank do, so there's probably a solidarity factor there too.
sumguy's explanation is much more accurate. Israel had strong socialist leanings early on before decades later eventually pivoting toward the US. But both the US and the USSR frequently abandoned or ignored their own stated principles during the Cold War when it came to trying to win countries to their own sphere of influence. Egypt, Afghanistan, Indonesia, Cuba, Iran, etc... all pivoted from one to the other, in various directions, and rarely did much change when they did. Swapping out one dictator for another.
"Anti-imperialism is of utmost importance to Leninism"... did you honestly type that with a straight face? Yeah. The USSR was SO concerned with self-determination...tell that to the Estonians, the Czechs, the Afghans, the Georgians, Eastern Poles, Ukrainians, etc etc etc
Good evening from Israel.
* Egypt
* Jordan
* Morocco
* Bahrain
* UAE
Oman is rumored to be next. Saudi Arabia may not even be many years away! But through the entire Arab world, the notion that Israel is THE big geopolitical story has markedly faded. Israel is increasingly just another country.
"Until 2020, no other member state of the United Nations had ever officially recognized Moroccan sovereignty over parts of Western Sahara. In 2020, the United States recognized Moroccan sovereignty over Western Sahara in exchange for Moroccan normalization of relations with Israel."