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The Undertaker Trivia

Think you know the Deadman? Answer the questions below to see how well you know the WWE's Phenom.
All answers are found on the Undertaker's Wikipedia page.
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Last updated: December 4, 2018
First submittedNovember 9, 2015
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What year did the Undertaker debut in WWF?
1990
At which event did the Undertaker debut?
Survivor Series
Who did the Undertaker defeat to win his first WWF Championship?
Hulk Hogan
Who is the Undertaker's brother?
Kane
Who is the Undertaker's most famous manager?
Paul Bearer
Who was his first manager?
Brother Love
How many wins does the Undertaker have at Wrestlemania?
24
Who has defeated the Undertaker at Wrestlemania?
Brock Lesnar
Roman Reigns
What was the name of Taker's theme song when he returned to the WWF in 2000?
American Bad Ass
Name Undertaker's finishing moves?
Tombstone Piledriver
The Last Ride
Hell's Gate
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Name the group Undertaker led in 1999?
Ministry of Darkness
Who stalked Undertaker's then-wife in 2001?
Diamond Dallas Page
Who is the Undertaker currently married to?
Michelle McCool
What is the Undertaker's real name?
Mark Calaway
How many times has Undertaker won the WWF/WWE Championship?
4
How many times has Undertaker won the World Heavyweight Championship?
3
Name the wrestlers Undertaker has won tag team championships with?
Stone Cold Steve Austin
The Rock
The Big Show
Kane
Before he joined the WWF, Undertaker wrestled in WCW under what name?
Mean Mark Callous
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Jan 26, 2018
19/24 not bad! great quiz!
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level 67
Jan 29, 2018
Thanks!
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level 43
Jun 29, 2018
I only got 17. Didn't remember ministry of darkness (though i knew the answer had darkness in it). Did not know Big Show and the Rock tag teamed with the taker. Did not even see the question about who his wife is until afterwards. Enjoyed the quiz and learned from it. Cheers!
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level 67
Jul 2, 2018
The Attitude Era was a crazy time. Other than Kane, none of his other tag team partnerships lasted very long I think, but they definitely happened (although some were probably during his biker phase).
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level 43
Jul 4, 2018
Yeah it was crazy and kind of desperate times for the WWF / WWE. The takers partnership with Kane is most vivid in my memory. I do recall the brief partnership with Stone Cold. The Rock or Big Show..I don't remember. I do remember The Rock and Mic Foley...The Rock and Sock connection. I tended to watch more WCW back then though.
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level 67
Jul 5, 2018
I didn't have cable back then, so I watched Smackdown. WCW didn't have anything on regular broadcast TV except one of those half-assed weekend shows that's mostly recaps and one or two jobber matches, so I couldn't really watch them even when I wanted to.
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level 43
Jul 6, 2018
Yeah i think the WCW broacast television program was on channel 11. The TBS and TNT programs were good. But hey at least you also missed out on a steadily rising monthly cable tv bill during those years.
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level 67
Jul 6, 2018
Yeah, but on the upside, I got to maintain my delusion that Glacier was awesome (because in the video games he was pretty awesome), and not have to see how disappointing he was in real life.
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level 43
Jul 6, 2018
Who? Ray Lloyd? He was actually a Karate-Ka in real life and a karate champion. He was friends with DDP. Eric Bischoff signed him to WCW because of their mutual love of Karate. Glacier was a mid carder at best unfortunately. Lost in that cluster of a shuffle that was the nwa / wcw roster at the time. Then again HHH was pretty much lost and misused during his time there.
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level 67
Jul 10, 2018
Sure, he was a legit martial artist, but it didn't translate well to a wrestling ring. He was saddled with a cartoony Mortal Kombat ripoff gimmick that would have been much more successful a couple years before, but I think his ring work would have at least been more interesting if he mixed a bit more grappling and wrestling moves in with his martial arts stuff.
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level 43
Jul 10, 2018
Yes he could have done that. But that's not how wcw chose to use him. I don't know if he ever was in the WWF though. Probably good if he wasn't because Vince McMahon surely would have given him some goofy gimmick that would have really diminished his star. Not every single creation of Mr. McMahon was as successful and as enduring as the Undertaker. Just figured i'd segway back to some undertaker talk.
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level 67
Jul 11, 2018
For sure. Undertaker is one of the most successful characters in WWE history, and considering how out there he is compared to others on that level, that's quite an accomplishment. For a character that began as some sort of weird western zombie gravedigger thing and went through phases like Satanic cult leader, badass biker, and dead person with magical powers, and managed to last 28 years and counting as that character, it's really quite an achievement.
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level 43
Jul 12, 2018
I can't really think of many others in wrestling who has endured. Who is still relevant in wrestling. I mean Hulk Hogan (can be relevant again...though i doubt as an in ring personality), Sting was relevant up till 2015 (from 1988 till his job for HHH in 2015 he had an amazing run). Mark Callaway ran with his gimmick in 1989/90 and immersed himself in that character. Always did the best he possibly could with what was given to him. Then when the original Undertaker character started fizzling he willingly either reinvented or refreshed the character and took it through four variations. Mark Callaway's commitment and work ethic made him last. Most other gimmick / character wrestlers lack that and grow weary of their characters (as do the fans )and eventually the star burns out. End of that character. End of that wrestlers career. Undertaker for Universal Champion!!!!
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level 67
Jul 12, 2018
I didn't see his performance at Wrestlemania 34 with John Cena (I'm not watching WWE anymore until Lesnar is gone), but his performances the last few years haven't been up to his old standard. I heard that after hip surgery he was able to move around better, so I hope that means he could have a championship run for at least a little while.
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level 67
Jul 14, 2018
I'm getting my wrestling fix from watching YouTube wrestling news shows like WhatCulture and the occasional excerpt of somebody's podcast (I can't sit through a whole one). Sure I'm not getting the actual matches, but I'm finding that I can do without. I haven't been a hardcore fan who watches every week for about 10 years now anyway. With regard to Taker, he hasn't looked good in a Wrestlemania match since 29, if not before, so I'm not surprised he can't move around like he once did. I'm honestly very surprised he hasn't retired yet. I thought the story they built going into the match was interesting - Cena has said for years that he had no desire to try and face Taker at Wrestlemania, so when they decided to actually make that match happen, they had to make it look like he was so desperate to be on Wrestlemania at all that he would take the nuclear option and face the Deadman. It's a goofy story that probably could have been done better, but I understand what they were going for.
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level 67
Jul 14, 2018
And while having their 16-time world champion get knocked around like he's Heath Slater is definitely a bizarre choice, I'm guessing they are trying to make Taker look dominant again after his losses to Lesnar and Reigns (neither of which should have happened as far as I'm concerned), and Cena has reached the level where his momentum isn't going to be hurt by looking like a chump for one match. I don't know if it was necessary or even a good idea, but it's certainly better than most of what Taker has done at Wrestlemania in the last five years.
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level 67
Jul 14, 2018
I will say though that I can't wait for Lucha Underground to put season 3 on Netflix, since I don't have the El Rey Network or whatever the station is called that carries them.
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level 43
Jul 15, 2018
I haven't had cable myself for quite a while.You are right about the Heath Slater comparison. As he is the contemporary and quintessential "jobber" -always running his mouth and then getting squashed in just about every match. I only used Brawler and Horowitz as they are Icons as far as jobber / developmental talent. In the WWF they were always just jobbers. Whereas Heath Slater in the beginning of his WWE career was given a chance with a more decent run / gimmick with some wins here and there. Now he's pretty much just a punchline (and punching bag for the SuperStars). Neither Taker nor Cena really needed this match. Cena did have some hard losses to Lesnar, Orton, The Shield, Kevin Owens, Rusev and Nexus. So i'm not certain if his Starpower can sustain another Squash. The Undertaker can take this as momentum for his next match. Perhaps we need to ask the question: Who's next on the Undertakers Revenge and Reclaim My Honor List? Answer: Brrroock Lessssnar!! And his Universal Title!!
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level 67
Jul 16, 2018
Personally, I find it hard to say the Undertaker "needs" anything anymore. He's in the twilight of his career, working only as much as he wants to. He's never going to be a regular fixture on the weekly programming again. He's probably going to remain a Wrestlemania attraction until he either decides to retire (which I'm surprised he hasn't) or is physically unable to wrestle anymore. Hey may get another title run or he may not, though if he does it will likely be short. As for Cena, he's a 16-time champion who's able to go as as high a physical level as ever, so he'll be fine. At this point he's clearly stepping back into a part-time role, which is good because it means WWE can FINALLY focus on creating new stars. He'll probably be champ again at some point, but he's probably going to mostly be the guy who loses to up-and-comers and occasionally gets the big win from here on out, which is fine by me.
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level 43
Jul 16, 2018
I don't think that Undertaker at all needs the WWE anymore or to prove anything. It's the other way around. The WWE needs someone like him to temporarily hold the Universal Title torch. While everyone figures out what to do. But yeah...i mean for maybe a few months to a year he'd be needed to be on programming and pay per views regularly. Not every single night. But frequently enough to give the scenario a legitimacy that his character and performance can bring to the table. Like I said before - a few months and a few successful title defenses and then boom!!! Convincingly (and with Undertaker grace and dignity) drop the belt to the next "chosen one". This idea is good to great for everyone concerned (the WWE, Undertaker and for the fans). The only question would be whether the WWE can think like this and if Mark Callway's age and physical condition can handle a six month to a year final "tour of duty" as challenger and then champion Undertaker.
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level 67
Jul 17, 2018
Cena is 41, not 35. That said, as hard-working as he's been, he definitely doesn't look broken-down to me. I think at this point if he's stepping away from full-time competition, it's probably more because he wants to or because WWE recognizes that the product is better off if he's not dominating all the time like he was a few years ago. I am sure he'll be back and be a champion again, I don't expect him to retire completely from wrestling for a LONG time yet.
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level 67
Jul 17, 2018
With regard to Taker... I'd say it really depends. The main event scene in WWE in general, and the Universal Title in particular, needs a HUGE boost of legitimacy. For all that Lesnar fans argued he brought legitimacy to the belt, or that it was more special because his appearances were rare, having an absentee champion has destroyed the credibility of that title. So if Undertaker is going to have the belt, he needs to be more visible than Lesnar has been. Even if he wrestles only at PPV's, he needs to be a presence on TV at least every other week, and he should defend it at every PPV. All of which is assuming he's physically up to that run, which I hope he is because Taker is one of my top 5 favorites of all time and I'd like to see him on top one more time if possible.
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level 43
Jul 17, 2018
You're right about Cenas age. My mistake. As far as taker goes. Like i said. In my opinion this would be a 6 to 12 month affair. A few months for his return and eventual challenge for the title. Then the eventual drop from brock...over to the taker. Then 3 to 6 months of fan bliss with a visible, legitimate and iconic legendary wrestler as the champion. Of course during this time Undertaker in my opinion would need to appear on at least two Raw episodes a month and one of them each month he needs to wrestle on. Plus he needs to appear and / or wrestle on all of the pay perviews. So this would entail a few dozen appearences and matches. Surely (rightfully so) this will cost Vince Mcmahon some money in the form of additional compensation to the taker for this service. But certainly his investment would provide multiples in returns in extra ticket sales, p.p.v. buys and merchandise sales as fan interest in the WWE would be renewed.
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level 67
Jul 18, 2018
I would be 100% okay with this, but I would also be astonished if it actually happened. How long has it been since Undertaker appeared that frequently? Seven years? Eight? I've lost count.
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level 43
Jul 18, 2018
Yeah it was pretty long ago that taker was on full time. It would be a miracle if the wwe did this. But then again sometimes you just gotta believe and have faith. Who would have thought that after 12 to 13 years of retirement that Goldberg would return to squash Lesnar and then squash Owens for the Universal title. Proves that anything can happen.
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level 67
Jul 18, 2018
Well, almost anything. I sincerely doubt CM Punk will wrestle again, for example, especially not for WWE.
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level 43
Jul 19, 2018
I can't fault CM Punk for not wanting to return to WWE. Maybe one of these days if another promotion can get a good foothold into the "sports entertainment" world he will re-emerge.
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level 43
Jul 19, 2018
Even if he doesn't come out of retirement somewhere to wrestle again. Perhaps a new career in wrestling as a non-wrestler character. A tough manager or commentator or authority figure -maybe even all of the above. He would still somewhat draw a crowd and help hone and put over the emerging in-ring talent in some organization.
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level 67
Jul 23, 2018
The passage of time could always change his perspective, but based on what he's said in the last couple years, I don't see it happening. I definitely don't think he'll ever work with WWE again, but it seems like his passion for wrestling in general is pretty much gone. But five, ten years from now, will he still feel the same? Who knows.
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level 43
Jul 26, 2018
Well if he does get bitten by the wrestling "bug" again hopefully (for his sake) he doesn't wait till he's firmly middle aged to relent. By the way - why did AJ Lee leave wrestling? Was it just because of the marriage ? I think she still has quite a future. I don't know if ROH has a womens division. I woud say TNA would surely welcome her with open arms. But as we all know that company is a real crap show right now. So probably not good for punk either.
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level 67
Jul 26, 2018
I don't know. I certainly don't blame AJ for leaving WWE, but I have no idea if she would still want to wrestle somewhere else, or wants to focus on starting a family, or has other interests. Truth be told I didn't really follow either of their personal lives. I'm sure if she wants to, she could be a star in just about any wrestling promotion out there.
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level 43
Jul 27, 2018
Yes neither CM Punk or AJ Lee were treated properly by the WWE. Yes she definitely could draw a crowd at any promotion of her choosing.
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level 67
Jul 28, 2018
It's a real shame, since she pretty much carried the women's division for a couple years there. She would have fit in well with today's talent, but by the time they got to the main roster she was gone.
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level 43
Aug 23, 2018
I heard rumors that HHH is getting set for a match against the Undertaker ? What is the point at this point in either one of their careers? I have not heard of any storyline "beef" between the two recently (or ever for that matter). It makes no sense. I would not really care about seeing such a match. Have you heard any such rumors ?
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level 67
Aug 23, 2018
I haven't heard about this, though I have been paying little attention to the rumor mill recently. I sincerely hope that's all it is though. HHH and Taker have already told plenty of stories in the ring together - what more can they do that they haven't already? Besides, at this stage in Undertaker's career when it's anyone's guess how much longer he will be able to wrestle, I'd rather see him work with some younger talent and get a couple of dream matches before he retires.
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level 43
Aug 23, 2018
Unfortunately turns out that it isn't a rumor....ohh it's true....it's true. October 6, 2018 in Melbourne, Australia. Supposedly renewing (for one night only) their "end of an era" rivalry. So HHH vs. Undertaker set to take place at the Melbourne Cricket Club i believe. WWE network plus cable / Satellite pay per view to offer it as well. Tickets went on sale over 2 months ago. Sometimes i feel like i live under a rock. I know it sounds like i'm plugging this event -but i assure everyone that i'm not. Just an Undertaker fan (and someone who does not like HHH) that is surprised and see's no point to this match. This is even more of a pointless exercise than the Cena vs. undertaker match. Neither had anything to prove or any viable challenge to answer. The same holds true in this scenario. Undertaker has earned his stripes, fans and his money. As much as i don't like HHH -he too has nothing to prove and owes answers to no one based on his career and accomplishments.
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level 67
Aug 24, 2018
That at least sounds like it's not a part of any greater story or anything. Still pointless, but it doesn't feel as much like a wasted opportunity. Just a thing for the Australian fans to enjoy.
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level 43
Aug 26, 2018
Just sayin' that the Undertaker could be using his legend to help put over the new generation. Some one who comes to mind at the moment that can desperately use being put over is Daniel Bryan. I mean a retirement due to injury and a lackluster return thus far has pretty much muffled the once vibrant "Yes" movement. A sell by the Undertaker might just help Bryan and the yes movement get it's mojo back. Plus i do want to see how the T.N.A. boys fare against the Taker. In other words Styles, Joe and Roode can't be real WWE stars till they each get Tombstone pile driven by the Undertaker. I know styles is Champion, but i don't give a rats you know what. He needs to face the Taker. Wow. Just realized that John Cena now qualifies to be in the WWE star fraternity. Lol
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level 67
Aug 27, 2018
I think Styles is doing fine, but would definitely not object to him getting put over by one of the old guard, whether it's Taker, Triple H, or the Rock if he ever has another match. I think we can write off Kane now that he's a politician, and otherwise there aren't too many guys left from that era still active. Joe vs. Taker would be interesting too. Bobby Roode I feel isn't up to that level yet - I've seen a bit of his TNA work and I know he's good, but WWE has not used him well so far and needs to build him up quite a bit before I could see him as a credible challenger to the Undertaker.
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level 43
Aug 29, 2018
Styles is great. He is the "phenomenal one". The undertaker has become what i can only plainly put it a Legend, an enigma, a mystery and the only remaining famous elder statesman of wrestling. He is a shoe in for Cauliflower Club and WWE hall of fame membership, while still being able to get in the ring and main event convincingly. That my friend is truly special. The current Undertaker is a result of Vince McMahons careful and deliberate efforts over the past decade to make him a truly special and enduring and legendary force in wrestling. This is the one time in Vince Mcmahons career where he gave back to and did right to one of his talents. That being said. Any superstar on the path to the "legitimate" top must in storyline / kayfabe acknowledge the eventual collision course that they must undertake and face the man known as the "Phenom", "The Dead Man". Styles is no exception.
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level 67
Aug 27, 2018
You've got to be careful with older guys putting over the young talent. There's a certain point where if they do it TOO often, it's not impressive anymore when the next guy beats them. Chris Jericho was the quintessential example for me - while it's great that he is willing to help out the younger guys, he's put over so many people that I just don't get excited for his WWE matches anymore because I just know he's going to lose. Mick Foley used to be the same way. I would argue that Taker is the kind of guy who should be used sparingly for that - putting over Reigns at WM33 already had a whole lot less impact than when he put over Brock at WM30. I wouldn't mind seeing him have one more reign at the top for a month or two, followed by doing the job for someone like Styles or Joe. I don't think Daniel Bryan needs that, the WWE just needs to stop wasting him. Hopefully once his feud with the Miz wraps up, he'll get another chance at the main event scene.
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level 43
Aug 29, 2018
I would love to see Undertaker vs. Joe. However as much as Joe being the world champ is a thing for me. I would not want to see Undertaker lose to him (or anyone for that matter). You know you can put over another wrestler without actually losing to them. I want to see a hard fought, physical encounter between them and then some kind of draw or d.q. ending. This way fans can say "Holy cow, Samoa Joe just came within an inch of beating the legend himself...Awesome!!! " and "Wow, the Undertaker fended off Samoa Joe amazingly...Taker's still got it!!"Awesome!!! ". I actually want the fans cheering "This is Awesome!!! This is Awesome" during and after the match. But no i don't want to see Samoa Joe's or AJ Styles' hands raised in victory against the Undertaker. Too much respect for the Taker. But they still need to wrestle him and convincingly survive and they will be put over. Otherwise AJ Styles vs. HHH and The Rock vs. Samoa Joe is what needs to be seen.
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level 67
Aug 29, 2018
AJ Styles never spent a day in NXT. His WWE debut was in the Royal Rumble, which was a really awesome moment. I do agree though that any fan interest in Samoa Joe or especially Bobby Roode comes from their time in TNA and elsewhere before WWE. Joe at least hasn't been mishandled much since coming to WWE, but I can't imagine anyone who wasn't already familiar with Roode would be interested in a guy who just wears a robe and says "glorious" all the time. He deserves so much better than what they've done with him so far.
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level 67
Aug 30, 2018
Roode I think can be a good Triple H style heel. Either way though, I would like to see them drop this whole "glorious" thing and actually give him some kind of character.
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level 67
Aug 31, 2018
I get most of my wrestling news online. WWE's product has been hard to watch the last couple years, and I just haven't felt like getting invested in any of the other companies. With regard to the Miz as an actor, I haven't seen any of his performances since I don't generally watch WWE Studios films. From the previews that I've seen, they just seem to be missing something. He does what he needs to as an upper midcard heel - I see him as a modern-day Jeff Jarrett in some ways - but I didn't like him as WWE Champion and I don't want him to be world champion again.
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level 67
Sep 2, 2018
I rarely watched TNA, and didn't see Roode's run as champ there. I heard good things about it though, so I think that he's capable of much more than he's doing in WWE right now. Do I see a top guy in him? No. Do I think he could hit the world title scene briefly, maybe have one reign as champion someday? Maybe. I want to see him show everything he can do. The problem is the WWE writing team is holding the whole product back. I don't know if it's because everything has to be approved by Vince and he's out of touch, or because Stephanie has been in charge of creative for so long and she's really, REALLY bad at it, or if the writers just have no idea what they're doing, but stories are by far the weakest part of the WWE product. I firmly believe that most of the wrestlers are capable of more than WWE is letting them do. When all these guys come from other promotions and fizzle out, or get really hot in NXT and then do nothing on Raw, I don't blame them, I blame the writers.
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level 67
Sep 2, 2018
As for the Miz/Double J comparison, here's more of why I think so. They both belong in the upper midcard but can believably fit into the main event sometimes. They both do "obnoxious heel" really well and suck at being babyfaces. They've both used their wife as valet. They both get TONS of heat and have lots of people say they suck. They even have similar finishers. Obviously their backgrounds are different, with Double J as the whole country singer thing and hitting people with guitars, while Miz has his reality show background and D-list actor status. But they are both incredibly douchey heels who occupy a similar spot on the card and can draw heat for extended periods of time without ever drifting into becoming "cool heels" who get cheered and have to turn face. And they're both underrated (which pains me to say because I have always HATED Jarrett).
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level 67
Sep 4, 2018
Vince is still going about his old tricks of poaching talent from the competition. Once he decided the indies were worth taking notice of, that's when he started signing guys from ROH, CZW, and so on. And then he grabbed Nakamura, Styles, etc. from New Japan. I've even heard he tried to sign a couple of the big names before All In to keep them from appearing.
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level 67
Sep 4, 2018
And it's always seemed to me that Vince regards wrestling as a dirty word. He has been very adamant at calling his talent "superstars" and his product "sports entertainment" without using the words "wrestlers" or "wrestling." Plus how many times has he tried to start other businesses? There was his bodybuilding federation, the XFL (which he's now going to bring back), the WWE movie studio, multiple reality shows... I swear it seems sometimes like he's embarrassed to be "that wrestling guy" and he wants desperately to move into a new business).
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level 67
Sep 5, 2018
The Young Bucks have already turned down WWE more than once in the past. I think it likely they will not sign until their prime years are past and they want to make some good money for 3-4 years before retiring. Kenny Omega knows he's better off where he is - as the hottest non-WWE wrestler in the world right now. Unless they're willing to give him a Lesnar-like paycheck, what can they offer him that he's not already getting?
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level 67
Sep 6, 2018
To be honest I'm not terribly familiar with the Young Bucks' work. Everything I've heard about them though has suggested that they have no interest at all in going to WWE. Of course, people change and so do minds, so that doesn't necessarily mean anything. But I'll be surprised if and when it happens.
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level 43
Sep 14, 2018
That match down under between Taker and HHH is getting hyped a bit .They even bought in Shawn Michaels last week to do an in ring promo segment with the Undertaker. Basically a 10 minute tease of a possible rematch...then i believe HHH interrupted (ofcourse Taker did his usual great work and dropped an ominous warning to Michaels and HHH first ). Then this past Monday HHH basically hyped his rematch with Taker in a segment during the opening of Raw. Seems these two should be helping the current talent rather than cashing in on "nostalgic" ppv buys and ticket sales. By "these two" i mean HHH. Because Taker always did the right thing and as he was asked. HHH on the other hand always had pet peeves, pet projects and agendas throughout his career.
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level 67
Sep 14, 2018
HHH has been better about putting people over in recent years, but he's buried a lot of people over his career too. I do understand why they'd want to have two big names face off again, because that might sell more tickets which means more people at the show who can become interested in the others. But I feel like these two have faced each other enough already. I mean, they've had THREE Wrestlemania matches against each other over the years, in addition to any other time they've faced each other. I don't really feel like I need to see them fight again.
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level 43
Sep 15, 2018
I agree completely. I will give credit to HHH for attempting to spread the wealth with regards to putting over people as of late. His relenting to have the WWE title dropped to Daniel Bryan at Mania 30 as an example has curried goodwill in my book. Plus he did help put over The Shield. Though his feud with Lesnar made no sense. He didn't need to get beat and injured by Lesnar. At the time he was already a former WWE and UFC champion. There is no need for another Hunter vs Taker match. On the other hand given what an awesome person and employee Taker is, I guess i would have no issue with him having a nice "easy peasey" straight forward night of work while he cashes in a nice check afterwards. The man has more than earned such perks at this point. Fortunately, Vince Mcmahon would whole heartedly agree with that point.
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level 43
Sep 15, 2018
Rehashing old points and comments Alert: The WWE does not need to bring back Taker and pit him against HHH (for the umpteenth time) just to draw viewership and hope they might discover the other talent. If the WWE would simply allow the other talent some creative freedom and afford them some better booking then i believe they would offer a better product. This in turn would "get the job done" with respect to drawing more fanfare and viewership. Thus more revenue.
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level 67
Sep 17, 2018
What, WWE give someone who was established before 2005 a chance to prove themselves? That could never happen! *sarcasm*
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level 67
Sep 14, 2018
What's more interesting to me is all the speculation I've seen online that this might lead to Shawn Michaels having another match. I don't think it will happen, but can you imagine if it did?
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level 43
Sep 15, 2018
Again if it benefits business and The Undertaker...why not? I'm not really invested with much fanfare towards Michaels. Actually i wasn't always such a fan of Taker either. But since the business of wrestling has "opened up the books" over the recent years and the more i learn about the business and the talent including the Undertaker (especially about who he was behind the scenes) that is what more so draws out my fanfare. My interest would be more along the lines of a CM punk vs HHH match and AJ Lee vs Stephanie Mcmahon match and AJ Lee vs Charlotte Flair. Oh and Ronda Rousey vs Charlotte Flair (and The nature girl should win...Woooooo!!!!) If your gonna dream...dream big right? We don't need the womens division getting Brocked over as well.
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level 43
Sep 15, 2018
On the other hand, for the purpose of nostalgia and because there has been only a few wrestlers (Styles, Joe, Bryan, Roode and Charlotte Flair) that have come along within recent years who i really want to watch in the WWE. Therefore i can definitely get behind another main event between HBK and Taker. But remember both men are either approaching or are in their 50's and have injuries. Plus i hear Micheals is a "changed" man. Then again if they brought back Goldberg for Lesnar then how hard could it be to finagle Micheals back into the ring for Taker ? Time will tell.
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level 67
Sep 17, 2018
I don't think CM Punk will come back. AJ Lee is a little more likely, but not much. If Punk decides to wrestle again at all, I think he'd be more likely to make an appearance for ROH or one of those All In shows if Cody does more (which I assume he will). Heck, a match with HHH at Wrestlemania is what Punk was supposed to have in 2014 before he walked out, because he didn't want it.
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level 67
Sep 17, 2018
With regard to Ronda Rousey, I see a big difference between her and Brock. Yes they both came from UFC (well, Brock was WWE before that, but you know what I mean), but the difference is she wants to be there, and she's signed a full-time contract even if they aren't having her wrestle every week. I do agree though that she shouldn't run roughshod over the whole division, but I also don't want her to get derailed like Asuka did (though I still have hope that they will fix that problem and start pushing her again sooner or later).
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level 67
Sep 17, 2018
Goldberg had said in the past that he would be open to coming back under the right circumstances, plus I think I heard that he wanted his son to have a chance to see him wrestle live. Michaels... well, he said he wanted to stick to his retirement and he's lasted longer than many. I think if he wants to come back, this is as good a time as any, but until some kind of announcement is made it's just a rumor.
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level 43
Sep 24, 2018
Unlike Goldberg, Michaels does not really need too much in the way of "right" circumstances (except for his body cooperating perhaps) as he is a far more trained and experienced wrestler than Goldberg ever was. Plus his hiatus from the biz is about half the number of years of what Goldbergs was. I think money and Michaels overall condition is what the factors would be. By the way. I too doubt CM Punks WWE return (now more than ever) as he is set to star in the latest Marvel Comics movie. Punk is going Hollywood. Lol
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level 67
Sep 24, 2018
Time flies - it's more than half at this point. Michaels has been retired for 8-1/2 years already, believe it or not! Goldberg retired from wrestling in 2004 and came back in 2016 so that was about 12 years. I agree though that he is a far better wrestler than Goldberg ever was. The question is going to be, can he still perform at the level he did back then? Goldberg only had to have a 90-second match when he came back, and barely had to take any bumps. Michaels set his bar much higher back in the day, so he has more to live up to now.
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level 43
Oct 4, 2018
Apparently they added some drama to the upcoming Taker vs HHH match down under. Mayor Demon Kane to be in Takers corner and HBK in HHH's during this match. Smells like some kind of angle and storyline brewing. Maybe Taker vs HBK rematch will be a reality. Mayor Jacobs was probably added in to the match for fun and nostalgia.
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level 67
Oct 6, 2018
I guess this is happening before The Devil's Favorite Mayor takes office? Otherwise the job must be part-time or something.
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level 43
Oct 7, 2018
I believe most mayoral posts across the u.s. is largely a part time endeavour. Mostly a pursuit of local prestige / honor with the exception of major cities, where it is usually a full time job. From what i hear, Glen Jacobs is a good man in his personal life. I wish him success. I am guessing the primary purpose of this new development is to set up an HBK vs. Undertaker rematch. We shall see.
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level 43
Oct 7, 2018
Well Super Showdown already went down. I thought it was going to take place next sunday. oh well. Anyway the match got changed to no d.q. by HHH last minute. It appearently turned into an out of hand Tag / 4 way match. Taker got defeated by both HHH and HBK's involvement. After the match they had a curtain call all 4 hugged in the ring and celebrated and Then all of a sudden Taker and Kane turned on and beatdown HHH and HBK. Sounds to me like a tag team war is being set up. Brtothers of Destruction vs. The Kliq (Or D.X). Atleast D-Bryan won his match with the Miz and is now #1 contender for the WWE Championship. YES! YES! YES! Styles submitted Samoa Joe (not happy about this).
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level 67
Oct 8, 2018
Samoa Joe needs to win the championship so he doesn't end up as the next Bray Wyatt (I love Wyatt but never being allowed to win big matches has really taken a toll on him). I didn't watch the show, but I kept hearing that Kane mostly stood by while Michaels kept interfering, and people were kinda wondering why he was even there.
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level 43
Oct 10, 2018
I'm an AJ Styles fan. This push in favor of Styles against Samoa Joe is however becoming frustrating and somewhat insulting. Samoa Joe is just as credible internationally as Styles. Styles had a "phenomenal" run as the company's best. Time to go on hiatus though. Bray Wyatt is an okay wrestler who comes from a very good background. I wouldn't say he's being treated as a jobber. He had notable victories over Cena, D-Bryan, Ambrose and Orton (among others). Plus he was WWE Champion for a few weeks not too long ago. Samoa Joe on the other hand isn't some gimmick that started in NXT. He has like a 15 + year history as a truly talented, championship calibre superstar. He needs that strap around his waist. WWE might be looking to crown D-Bryan as the next champ though (which to me then presents a dilemma).
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level 67
Oct 10, 2018
I'm not a fan of extremely long title reigns. I know people like to say that adds credibility to the championship belts somehow, but I don't agree. To me, anyone holding a belt for more than about 6 months tops in the modern era should be extremely rare. Stories move much, much faster than in the old days when long reigns were the norm, and having people lose over and over and over again because you never want to have a title change damages the credibility of those challengers. A big part of the problem is also how WWE likes to have the same challenger multiple times in a row. After someone loses 3 consecutive times, it's hard to take the idea that they could win the 4th time, or even deserve to have another shot, seriously.
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level 67
Oct 10, 2018
I like AJ Styles just fine, though he is not one of my favorites and probably never will be. However, it is past time for him to drop the belt to someone else, and I think Samoa Joe would be a great choice for that. As for Wyatt, he's a 6/10 ring worker with a 10/10 gimmick and 1/10 booking. Yes, he spent a month as WWE champion, but his match at Wrestlemania was hated by lots of people (not me, I liked it), and as far as I can remember it's the ONLY time he's ever won a high-profile match without immediately losing the next match vs. the same opponent. He was supposed to be this scary, badass cult leader but he always looked like a chump because he was never allowed to win when it counts.
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level 43
Oct 12, 2018
Yes, long top championship reigns are a Catch-22. On one hand the tradition was to put the top belt on someone who looked the part and was super over with fans and therefore drew the viewership / ticket buys. Long as they did that, they were champions. So having the top super over talent as champion made for a "feel good" scenario for fans and made them feel invested as their #1 favorite was champion. Therefore that person was the "legitimate" champion. However in today's climate of wrestling where everything is micromanaged, focus group researched....the WWE tends to engineer (quite blatantly) the next big star. Factor in also the unprecented level of enlightenment of fans today and they can smell a rat, when someone (or thing) is contrived -manufactured. Be it a long push to win the title (Hey there Roman!) or a super long run on the top (Yo John Cena!) or a botched attempt to introduce a new belt (Brock Lesnar not want be here!!! Rahhhhhhrrrrrr!!!!)
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level 43
Oct 12, 2018
I guess in today's world of 24 hour news cycles, it feels like sometimes the wrestling world has 24 hour storyline cycles. So a super long title run (unless the wrestler miraculously doesn't sour on the fans for super long) is not a good idea. I agree six months (and maybe 6 to 8 good title defenses) should be enough. Perhaps a few months longer -again that is if the wrestler is still truly over with the fans. I also agree that long arduous journeys to the belt frought with many "near win" and losing effort matches before finally surmounting the odds tends to sour on fans especially of this era (Hey again Roman! And Greetings Your Highness Jerry Lawler......i just couldn't resist bringing up Lawler up as an example as well. I know he's not from this era but still a cautionary tale against such bookings).
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level 43
Oct 12, 2018
I've been a fan of Styles since he was in early ECW. He was a great wrestler then (and a good NWA champion) and also was great in TNA (again a really good NWA champion and subsequently TNA champion) and has just improved over the years and now is a great WWE champion (and the best wrestler in the world at the moment). However about 2 years on the top of WWE is enough. He should be booked to drop the title soon -preferably to the deserving Samoa Joe. Who will undoubtedly make as equally great (if not even a better and more dominant) champion then Styles was. As far as Irwin r Scheisters first born...he's in the bayou son!!! He gawwnnn. His bookings as of late especially has made him out to be kind of a chump. Not really a good idea on WWE's part...especially considering what they're paying him. Wyatt, i believe needs some serious refreshing, rebooking and a recommittment on WWE's part to ever appear as a credible threat again to the roster and to the championship scene.
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level 67
Oct 12, 2018
Agreed 100% on Wyatt's part. He's gotten beyond stale because thanks to his booking he's always talked a big game and then almost never delivered. Don't get me wrong - I find dominant monster heels boring (which is a large part of why I hate Brock Lesnar and why I never liked Mark Henry as World Heavyweight Champion back in 2011). But after the third or fourth time you build this guy up as a spooky, dangerous nutjob who threatens to topple your top babyface, only to lose clean 3 times in a row, fans just don't care anymore.
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level 67
Oct 12, 2018
With regard to Styles, I like him but am not a huge fan. Part of that is because I hate his finishing moves. The Styles Clash is stupid and looks like it has little impact to me - plus it's dangerous because unlike most wrestling moves you have to throw your head back to avoid impact instead of tucking your chin. If you tuck your chin like you would for most bumps, you end up with a broken neck - just ask Yoshi Tatsu. As for the Phenomenal Forearm, it's exciting to see but I just don't buy it as a match ender. Kind of like Big Show's KO punch, or Dolph's Zig Zag, or the People's Elbow. Cool moves, but they should be the setup to an actual finisher, rather than the finisher itself.
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level 67
Oct 12, 2018
But we're also agreed 100% on Samoa Joe. WWE needs to pull the trigger on him right friggin' now. In my opinion they've already waited longer than they should have. He should have gone over AJ already, now it's do-or-die time.
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level 43
Oct 17, 2018
From what i heard Mark Henry's approach to work and his demeanor more than earned him his world title run. As far as Brock...i'm done talking about him. Bray Wyatt....all comes down to booking booking booking push push push. Not only is his set up bad but he as Bray Wyatt...may be damaged beyond repair. They may need to rebuild him. You may have to say goodbye to Bray Wyatt and hello to another character maybe even the real rotundo. Perhaps he may need to go back to his roots and wrestler under his real name as a real person. Not everyone can pull off a character. Especially when creative (Vince Mcmahon) is constantly pulling the rug out from under you. Why even bother giving him 7 figures when they jack him around like this ?
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level 43
Oct 17, 2018
I like styles cause he is what i like to refer to as "new age old school" He looks and performs like a great real deal wrestler (like Cesaro) but with a modern twist. Some of his moves is crazy and looks like he is either going to inadvertadly hurt himself or someone else while performing them. I mean the "Pele" kick is best left for Ronaldo during the finals of the World Cup. Not in World Wrestling Entertainment. But styles does need a break from the world title scene. Not saying he can't have another run. But he could go a year easy doing some other things while the rest of the roster fight for and defend the WWE championship.
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level 43
Oct 17, 2018
If Samoa Joe does not become the WWE Champion soon. I don't think i want to keep up with wrestling anymore. Unless, D-Bryan wins it from Styles. Then like i said before it would be a dilemma. As i want both Joe and Bryan to be champions at some point.
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level 67
Oct 17, 2018
Wyatt's character work is amazing... or at least it was when I was still watching regularly. Maybe year after year of having the rug pulled from under him has undermined him, or maybehe's gotten stale, I don't know. It's a lot harder to tell when I get my wrestling news mostly from recap shows that talk about what happened without showing it directly. Nobody can keep doing the same thing forever - even the Undertaker went through his biker phase to freshen things up. I don't know if that requires a name change or just some kind of personality shift, but I think he's too good at playing a character to let him go.
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level 67
Oct 17, 2018
I mostly agree with you about Styles and Samoa Joe (except for my already mentioned reservations about Styles and his finishing moves). Sure, he's one of the best wrestlers alive, but his title reign has been going on for 11 months. Time to change things up. The right time to pull the trigger on Samoa Joe was at least a month ago, but it's not too late if they hurry up and do it. I don't want to see him end up like Nakamura, Asuka, Wyatt, and others who got red hot and then faded away because WWE refused to put the title on them when the time was right.
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level 43
Oct 12, 2018
By the way. Brothers of Destruction vs. HBK and HHH is set to happen apparently. I Guess Kane's mayoral schedule isn't so demanding afterall. Just hope he can work out his ring rust in time.
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level 67
Oct 12, 2018
It's not Kane's ring rust I'd be worried about. Michaels is the one who hasn't wrestled a match in 8+ years. Besides, Kane's success has never been primarily about his in-ring performance anyway. Him having ring rust isn't that big a deal compared to HBK. Funny how when Saudi Arabia is throwing down tens of millions of dollars just to get them to come, all of a sudden Michaels isn't worried about staying retired anymore. I guess Ted DiBiase was right, everybody has a price.
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level 43
Oct 17, 2018
I heard others mention and i think you may have as well mentioned either seeing or hearing that Kane's execution of manuevers lacked a certain crispness and precision that was present before. He looked akward doing somethings. Ring Rust. He didn't get really involved in the match. Injury and Ring Rust. Micheals may also suffer from that. He very well can. Maybe he should take a tune up match or two on some dark shows. Before he travels to the middle east and flounders...or worse injures himself even more.
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level 67
Oct 17, 2018
Wasn't me - I didn't watch the show. I haven't watched an actual WWE show since Wrestlemania 33. I keep up with what's going on by watching videos on YouTube, mostly from WhatCulture's wrestling channel but sometimes a few others or even WWE's own YouTube channel. But I didn't watch anything from this Super Showdown thing.
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level 43
Oct 18, 2018
My bad then. The last actual WWE show i watched on tv was a mid July 2017 episode of raw. I saw some video on youtube about about super show down. Plus read up about it a bit onliine. Kane did not look too hot out there. Michaels was more involved. But yeah with over a decade away from the ring, Micheals would be wise to take on a few tune up matches before entering the ring again on such a big event.
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level 67
Oct 18, 2018
I do think I remember people saying that Kane didn't seem to get involved much in the match, compared to Michaels. Maybe that's because he knew he was rusty? Anyway, I'm sure Michaels will be practicing in the ring with somebody, maybe even do a couple house shows, but I also doubt he will have any televised matches before this event (assuming WWE isn't forced to pull out over the whole murdered journalist thing).
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level 43
Nov 5, 2018
Well Crown Jewel was a bust all around. No reason for The Brothers of Destruction to have jobbed for DX. Four men who are more than over in their respective careers. Nobody needed this match. Not them or the fans. I just hope Taker and Kane cashed really sweet checks. Because I'm pretty sure HBK and HHH did.
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level 67
Nov 5, 2018
Pretty sure the only reason for that match is because the Saudis dished out a HUGE payout to see Shawn Michaels wrestle, and he wanted a tag match in case of ring rust. I didn't watch the show and have no intention of doing so, but I'm told he looked the best out of all four of them.
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level 43
Dec 13, 2018
Well now the rumor mill has it that Undertaker vs. HBK might happen at Wrestlemania 35. Yawn!!! or perhaps A.J. Styles vs. HBK (another Yawn) or even D-Bryan vs. HBK (big eye roll and i'm walking away).Taker, AJ Styles and D-bryan all deserve to have a big match at Wrestlemania 35. Just why against HBK? I get the WWE has a fetish with the whole generation vs generation thing.I find the WWE's method of generational torch passing is usually not done right anyway, with either the previous generation star looking like a jack ass when they put over the current generation star or in some cases the whole match and the past generation stars jobbing efforts were fruitless in properly putting over the next generation star as the "new jack" star sucked to begin with and could not make proper use of his new position as the "torch bearing" star. One prime example is Taker losing to Lesnar, Goldberg losing to Lesnar or Randy Orton losing to Mahal.
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level 67
Dec 13, 2018
I'm not opposed to HBK wrestling again in theory. I do not need to see him vs. Undertaker again, though. I'd be okay with him putting over someone who's already near the top of the card but doesn't have something else going. However, I also feel like it isn't something I need to see. WWE has spent too much of the last decade relying on part-timers instead of building up new talent, but if they do it right (i.e. Michaels puts someone over, and the match doesn't go ridiculously long or take time away from other deserving people) then I'd be okay with it. I'd be interested in Michaels vs. Bryan, but if Bryan is still the champ come Wrestlemania then it shouldn't be him. Michaels vs. Styles would probably be a good match, but I'm not sure what storyline could feed into that, and to me that matters as much if not more than what they do in the ring itself.
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level 43
Dec 14, 2018
Honestly I would not go to any great lengths to see an HBK match today. To be fair Taker vs HBK the question is who jobs? Both are pretty much from the same era and were on top of the card at about the same time. Neither needs the match. D-bryan does not need this match as he already suffered a ding in his credibility with that non title match loss to Lesnar (even if Lesnar is three times his size and strength). D-Bryan does not need another chance to look vulnerable (e.g. facing HBK this time). As far as AJ Styles vs HBK I don't see the point. Why? I mean like you mentioned, without any storyline significance who cares? Then it just looks like a cheesy money grab / hotshotting attempt on The part of the WWE and maybe even on the part of Shawn Michaels.
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level 67
Dec 15, 2018
For Taker vs. HBK round 5 or whatever it would be at this point, I don't know who would be the winner and I really don't care. With D-Bry or AJ, the main appeal is the match itself. Michaels vs. Bryan is a commonly cited dream match because of HBK's role in training Bryan, even if he wasn't really the main trainer. With AJ there's no personal connection like that but the match itself would likely still be great. That said, I generally want some storyline to make me care about the match, so unless the WWE can cook up something good (and let's be honest, they can't), I don't see how they could make HBK/Styles work.
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level 43
Dec 15, 2018
Agreed. Taker vs HBK is a tired subject. Now that you do mention it i do recall hearing something about D-Bryan training with HBK. I guess a student vs Teacher scenario might be interesting. Maybe even the Student ending up giving the Teacher a lesson in the ring? Who knows. AJ Styles vs HBK is mildly interesting. Putting that match together would just look like Hot Shotted Promoting / A Hastily put together Big Money Main Event match to the average fan. For die hard fans of HBK any match would probably be a dream match.
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level 67
Dec 16, 2018
If my memory is correct, Bryan trained at HBK's wrestling school, but most of the actual lessons were not conducted by Shawn himself. Still, WWE glosses over that fact all the time. Now that D-Bry is heel I do think a match vs. Shawn would be interesting. On the other hand, Bryan is champion and Shawn Michaels absolutely should NOT be challenging for a title at this stage in his life. So I would only want to see this as a non-title match on Smackdown or after Bryan loses the belt.
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level 43
Dec 16, 2018
Okay. So micheals basically either put a $100k or so of his own money down on the table and opened a wrestling school or somebody else did all the work and in exchange for 15 to 25 percent of the schools profits tahdah!! They can call it the Shawn "HBK" Micheals School of Wrestling Training" right? D-Bryan just happened to have trained at this school, right? Well then this storyline is so heart warming and compelling. Lol. As far as D-Bryan being Champion when facing HBK. I don't see it as a problem. Actually I can't believe I' m going to say this...But I think HBK having a "shock" title match win might just be interesting. Might just be the shock, the WTF moment to create some excitement and breathe a little life into the WWE (albeit temporarily). Smack down would surely continue to be king for the next two years at least after having Shawn Michaels on there weekly for the next month or so and as Champion to boot. Then either D-Bryan wins it back or AJ maybe have Samoa Joe challenge
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level 43
Dec 16, 2018
Actually Michaels winning the belt from D-Bryan and then dropping it to Samoa Joe is just the help Samoa Joe needs. Not only would HBK losing help repair and put over Samoa Joe's damaged credibility (The Samoan Submission Machine defeats the Heart Break Kid Shawn Michaels) but he also wins the belt. This actually would be the complex and involved booking needed to help repair the broken Samoa Joe. This is no less good for WWE business then Goldberg winning the Universal Belt just so he can drop it a month later to Lesnar. I truly believe D-Bryan dropping the world title to Samoa Joe would just make D-Bryan look weak and not do much to uplift Joe's starpower.
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level 43
Dec 16, 2018
Yes. Yes indeed. This is how HBK can give back to the business. Get his butt into shape for a title match with D-Bryan and then get ready for a two month run as world champion.He can make 8 to 14 TV appearances in this time including a non major ppv defense of the belt and then Joe challenges for the belt and HBK (like a good and grateful legend) drops the belt to Samoa Joe and in the process makes Joe look like the legitimate WWE superstar that we both know he is.
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level 67
Dec 17, 2018
The problem I have with part-timers winning the championship like that is that it's generally very predictable. Who looks back fondly on The Rock ending CM Punk's title reign in 2013, only to drop it back to Cena at Wrestlemania? Goldberg winning the Universal title wasn't inherently a bad thing, but it was so transparent that he was going to drop it to Lesnar that it cheapened the end of Kevin Owens's reign because it felt like he was thrown under the bus to tell this really obvious and predictable story. So I would be worried about another Michaels title reign being handled a lot like that.
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level 43
Dec 17, 2018
This would not necessarily be so similar to that crap storyline / booking of Having Goldberg squash Owens only to then drop the title to Lesnar. First HBK is a much bigger Legend than Goldberg. Goldberg is not respected for his wrestling and promo skills as Michaels is. Plus in his own way HBK was just as popular as a face or had as much visibility on TV as a heel as Goldberg had during his Heyday. Also D-Bryan has had a period of looking vulnerable (especially recently). So maybe him dropping the belt might be good. I still remember him as the other brands world champion that got squashed by Lesnar. I mean that sucks for D-Bryan. Samoa Joe being set up to take the belt from someone like Michaels is a big deal and would be a mighty prestigious win for his career. The Anti part time Champion argument's ship has sailed with Lesnar being made champion not once but twice under such conditions / circumstances.
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level 67
Dec 18, 2018
Making Lesnar the world champion is the biggest mistake WWE has made since mishandling CM Punk. I wouldn't hold him up as an example that a part-timer as champion is a good idea. Lesnar has turned the Universal Championship into a sad, unfunny joke. Unfortunately, in order for it to not be like that, you'd need Michaels as champion to appear regularly, even if he only defends on PPV. And I can't see a 53 year-old HBK who has been retired for 8 years being willing to come back full-time. To put it another way: I don't know if you're a basketball fan, but Shawn Michaels is arguably the Michael Jordan of his sport. Like Jordan, Michaels retired at the height of his career, came back after a couple years to a career renaissance that brought him to new heights, then retired again. Jordan came out of retirement a second time for the Washington Wizards, and it was terrible and tarnished his legacy. I can't help but think Michaels coming out of retirement to be champ would be similar.
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level 43
Dec 19, 2018
I agree that Lesnar as a champion , his booking, and his attitude / demeanor both in the ring and outside is atrocious. CM Punk and AJ Lee being misused and then mistreated as well as the crappy booking of Sting (during his short tenure)are glaring examples of the WWE's incompetence. I have never commented that Brock Lesnars situation is to be held up as some sort of "gold standard" of part time talent booking and compelling argument in favor of having a part time champion. In none of my suggested bookings for stars as champions (whom you rebuke as part timers...Taker, HBK, Cena etc.) did I ever express an interest or support for utilizing the chosen talent on a part time basis. If they're champion -they're full time (at least during the title run). Weekly appearances on t.v. and title defenses on every pay per view event is part of my booking formula for anyone I suggest as Champion.
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level 43
Dec 19, 2018
When all is set done. If the WWE can go to such great lengths to accommodate a lax championship schedule for someone like Lesnar (who has certainly taken more from Wrestling than he has given back) then why would Taker, Cena or HBK be any less deserving of such a privilege? Any one of these men have contributed exponentially more towards the quality and entertainment factor of Sports Entertainment compared to Brock Lesnar. Very curious if you have any suggestions for how to repair Samoa Joe's broken credibility while at the same time pave the way for a top company belt to end up around his waist.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
My apologies, I misread your intent in bringing up Lesnar. I think we are in agreement that he has benefitted from WWE a lot more than he has given back, and that WWE's treatment of him has been to their own detriment. That said, we do seem to have a disagreement on how people like Michaels and Undertaker should be used going forward. It's true that their current roster doesn't have the star power of the days when wrestling was more mainstream. Part of that is just because the culture has changed - no one is likely to reach the levels of mainstream popularity that Hulk Hogan or Steve Austin. That said, WWE deserves a lot of blame for holding down rising stars over the years to put over John Cena or various part-timers. For example, in the span of 2011-2013 CM Punk lost to Triple H, The Rock, Undertaker, AND Brock Lesnar when he should have defeated at least two of those four (three if the Taker match hadn't been at Wrestlemania), and should have had a rematch vs. Rock that he won.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
I have a world of respect for both Taker and HBK, but I don't think either of them should be winning the world title in 2019, just like Ric Flair didn't win another world title in WWE after he returned in 2002. With regard to Samoa Joe, I don't think he's completely ruined yet, just in danger. He's not at Bray Wyatt levels of broken credibility yet. All it should take to get him back on track is to stop making him lose the big matches and start winning in dominant fashion. Absolutely he's the kind of guy who would put the Coquina Clutch on a retired legend like HBK. Whether that happens in the context of a match or simply an attack during a promo or backstage doesn't even matter to me. Heck, do both. But I don't see why that requires HBK to be a world champion.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
You know what I'd really want to do to cement Samoa Joe's status as the resident badass that can never be dismissed, though? I personally would book him to face Brock Lesnar at Wrestlemania and have him force Brock to leave WWE (even if only for awhile so Lesnar goes back to UFC). Having Brock put someone over is LONG overdue. If Vince wouldn't allow that, then my backup plan would be to have him destroy Shawn Michaels backstage at the Royal Rumble before going on to win the Rumble match. Have Michaels challenge him to a match at Elimination Chamber or whatever they're calling the PPV between the Rumble and Wrestlemania these days, with his title shot on the line. Joe wins. Then have him challenge for the WWE Championship at Wrestlemania and win it clean, with no outside interference, cheating, or anything else that makes him look like he couldn't win it fairly. That should do the trick nicely.
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level 43
Dec 19, 2018
It's all good. Lesnar sucks for the WWE and can't understand why Vince McMahon can't see that. We agree on that i'm certain. The WWE is definitely lacking a strong looking and credible looking roster nowadays. Key word looking. The creative team is to blame for that. Again i'm sure we agree on this point. The WWE loves to drag out legends and Icons and have them wrestle generation vs generation / passing of the torch matches. I think we agree on that also. In the spirit of all these agreeable facts is why i suggested such a booking.
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level 43
Dec 19, 2018
Samoa Joe has lost way too many times (four times to AJ and once already to Lesnar) challenging for the Top Title. AJ Styles dropping it to him now would be anti-climactic. That event would fizzle with audiences. D-Bryan would not do much to create any legitimacy for a man who is dubbed the "Samoan Submission Machine"and was being sold to audiences as a Bad Ass Talented Bruiser Wrestler Gun for Hire. That is why i figured if HBK may end up facing D-bryan in a match and for the World Heavy Weight Championship (to boot), why not spice things up with having a few months run with HBK. Then I also started putting 2 and 2 together and figured who needs to be put over big time and needs a title run courtesy of HBK dropping it to them. Well Samoa Joe came to mind of course!! Actually Bray Wyatt's credibility in my opinion is in much better shape then Samoa Joe's is right now. Remember Bray Wyatt didn't lose five times challenging for the title.
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level 43
Dec 19, 2018
I also believe based on how Samoa Joe was sold to us fans he is supposed to be able to easily beat even a Big, Tough Bad Ass Supernatural phenomena such as Bray Wyatt's character. Also Bray Wyatt was at least given one (albeit) short run with the World Heavy Weight Championship. So i don't see much similarities in their Situation. As far as your suggestion for a build up to a Universal Title match with Lesnar. I like the idea. Samoa Joe has always looked Bad Ass and Threatening in his dealings with Lesnar. The two times I think they wrestled in an actual match, Lesnar barely escaped with a victory. He didn't squash Samoa Joe. So if a good background storyline can be worked out like the one you suggested that can eventually get Samoa Joe in the ring with Lesnar for the Universal Title and Joe wins convincingly, I think his credibility and top card status can be salvaged.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
Vince has always tried to bring people with outside fame into WWE because he craves some extra "legitimacy." I think deep down he feels that wrestling isn't respectable. That's why he calls it "sports entertainment," why he tries to associate the company with other celebrities, and why he keeps trying outside business ventures like the XFL, World Bodybuilding Federation, that restaurant they used to have in New York, and so on. And celebrity cameos are fine (when they're done well anyway). It's really a problem when those outsiders are made to look better than WWE's own guys, because that undercuts their legitimacy. Lesnar is in kind of a weird grey area when it comes to this, but the way they're using him is absolutely toxic to the WWE product.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
Wyatt's credibility was destroyed over a period of years. It's not just all the times he has challenged for titles and lost. It's that every time he tried to screw with someone's mind with his wild promos, they brushed it off like it was nothing. You didn't see other wrestlers laugh at Undertaker and call him corny for his deadman schtick - they acted legitimately scared of him. That's what Wyatt needed, but they refused to do it. They've tried to do things right a couple times, like when Daniel Bryan joined the Wyatt Family for a bit, and when Orton did the same. But most of the time he came up short. Like how many times over the years did ONE guy (whether it was Cena, Reigns, or whoever) dominate not just Bray, but Luke Harper and Erick Rowan all at once, even though those guys are huge bruisers. Even that brief period of time when Strowman was in the Wyatt Family, he didn't make them any more dominant as a group.
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level 67
Dec 19, 2018
It's true that Bray won the WWE title, though it was only for a month. Then they used those weird video projections onto the mat in his Wrestlemania match (which I thought was cool but apparently everyone else thought was cheesy and stupid) and he lost it in his first real defense. It's true that he never challenged for the title and came up short so often over such a short period like Samoa Joe did, but for years it seemed like Wyatt never really accomplished anything he set out to do. It's probably true that hotshotting him right back into the title scene wouldn't be the best idea (though I think enough fans want him to succeed that WWE could get away with it). Having a couple big landmark victories before reaching the top is probably a good idea - something like when Mick Foley put over Orton back in the day, for example - but I just don't think that should be the championship match, instead of a stepping stone to get there.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
Vince McMahon is uncomfortable about where he's come from (and what has made him a billionaire multiple times over) He's an ambitious boy from South Carolina trying to pass himself off as a Connecticutt Yankee. Just as the U.S. Political family the Bush's have always attempted to pass themselves off as salt of the earth Texans as opposed to the reality of their origins which is that of Connecticut Dandy's / Yankees. This disdain for wrestling by McMahon I believe stems from his hatred for the South. Back in the day the real, gritty and violent looking wrestling that garnered a passionate and fervent fan base was being offered in the Southern promotions (JCP/NWA ,Georgia and the Carolinas, CWF Tennessee, FCW Florida and WCCW Texas and Mid South Oklahoma/Arkansas. These promotions offered the superior product to the WWF's cartoonish B.S. Yet Vince McMahon refused to relent....
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
Ostensibly McMahon exhibited a great deal of Audacity (not just in his early attempts to shut down every competing territory) and aloofness in dealing with his audiences. Case in point the Black Saturday incident. Instead of entering a relatively unfamiliar and hostile territory with some decorum and perhaps hat in hand and maybe an accompanying sweet potatoe pie...he instead just tramples over WTBS tradition and presents his prerecorded arena cartoon b.s. from Madison Square Garden, The Spectrum in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and some larger Long Island New York venues. Instead of Gordon Solie and Studio matches it was green screens, Gorilla Monsoon and the b.s. I mentioned. Needless to say after a year of dwindling viewership Ted Turner crap canned the "Vince McMahon Cavalcade of Crap" and Vinny Mac ended up selling to JCP the Hour time slot. Who as we all know later sold everything to Turner who then created the Monday night War competing WCW.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
What's my point with all this! The point is that I believe Vince McMahon's embarrassment of and disdain towards wrestling is his aversion to the southern culture. In Vince McMahon's eyes wrestling is still just a Carnival side show, goobers delight, hillbillies heaven. Some sort of White Trash / Trailer Park fare. (In Vince McMahon's voice) Listen up Pal!, he doesn't want to be anywhere near this Carnival Side Show / Goobers delight/White Trash Trailer Park Fare. Not if he can help it. As far as the obsession with Celebrity cameos, I think McMahon just likes hotshotting and chasing stars. He's a mark for major celebrities.
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level 67
Dec 22, 2018
How someone so Republican can be so anti-South is beyond me. But it does seem like there's some truth to it.
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level 67
Dec 22, 2018
Did you delete a bunch of your older comments? There are some comment chains where I can't see them anymore so it looks like I'm talking to myself.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
In response to you one of your recent yet not as fresher comment about Bray Wyatt,s reputation being damaged a lot. I don't necessarily think so. I believe that based on his pushes he looked all right. Plus he did win the World title at least once. Unlike Samoa Joe who has challenged two different champions on both shows about a half a dozen times only to come out short. I also don't think that the majority of Bray Wyatt's opponents treated him like a joke. I think Cena as a matter of fact had portrayed himself as being confused, perplexed and some times concerned during Bray Wyatts whacky promos. Plus don't forget that fans got behind Bray Wyatt big time during his original run. I mean the whole dark arena with everybody shining their cell phone screens and silence whenever he enters the ring. Plus fans all started singing "He's got the whole wide world....in his hands...he's got the whole wide world...in his hands" both at Cena and When Wyatt was chanting it. He was very over.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
I mean i don't know how Bray Wyatt is doing at this exact time. But if he is doing business as usual he should be doing just fine then as the Supernatural Freak Bad Ass character he has portrayed. Plus you have to remember that John Cena and the rest of the stars couldn't lose to Wyatt every time. I remember he lost to him plenty of times as did Dean Ambrose (at least twice). Plus Randy Orton Lost to Bray Wyatt at least twice (once when he ended up joining the Wyatt Family) and then when Wyatt defeated him for the Smack Down World title. I don't understand why you feel he has been mistreated as strongly as you do. I mean he got the number of many top stars and won the world title once. He wasn't exactly a jobber. Nowadays i understand he might not be utilized as well as he should. Seems like he is in the weeds somewhat. He's doing tag team wrestling (with Matt Hardy ?) I just think that it would be a lot easier to get Wyatt back legitimately on the Upper Card as opposed to Samoa Joe.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
Well you'd be amazed to find out that some of these cats (possibly even Vince Mcmahon) might be republican more out of the convenience factor than necessarily principle. But as I said, his hatred for the south might be why to this day he refuses to placate the paying customers (fans) by providing them what they want and instead of the real, action packed gritty and violent looking stuff that friendly southern promoters and now most independents provide, he gave and still does give audiences the goofy, gimmicky, cartoonish, soap opera b.s. that the WWE has become famous for. The attitude era being the exception (unfortunately). As far as his other business interests, he might just want to expand and diversify and figures he is at a point where he can afford to venture into other areas (such as the arena football thing and producing bad straight to video movies) The World Body Building Federation was actually his lost baby. As you know he is quite the body building aficionado.
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level 43
Dec 22, 2018
I have deleted some comments (but perhaps to the tune of 2 or 3 of which 1 was by accident). But i am noticing a lot more comments for both of us are missing or perhaps are being collapsed. I actually did want to ask you about this. Did you want me to delete some comments? I was actually thinking that maybe all these comments from me might be construed by some other users as being too much, who may otherwise be interested in contributing to your quiz commentary forum. I don't want it to seem like or to actually be the case that i am trolling or monopolizing the dialogue. So let me know QM @kenpo17.
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level 67
Dec 25, 2018
Well, I for one don't have a problem with you commenting so much. It's not as if a lot of other people are chiming in on this or any of my other quizzes. I certainly can't speak for Quizmaster, but I don't see why he'd have an issue with it unless you were being rude or abusive, which you're not. Anyone else is free to join in the discussion at any time, but since this isn't a featured quiz it doesn't get all that much traffic compared to many other quizzes. I know at some point the quiz starts only showing "recent comments" but the ones that are disappearing seem to be random to me. There are stretches where I see 4 or 5 comments of mine in a row, and I can't see the comments they were responding to. It's a bit weird, though not especially concerning since that's not the primary purpose of this site anyway. If there was a private messaging system on this site I'd say we should converse there, but there isn't so whatever. Here or any of the other quizzes is fine by me.
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level 67
Dec 25, 2018
Wyatt didn't win the WWE title from Orton. He won it in the Elimination Chamber, then lost it to Orton the next month. He did have a lot of fan support, and he occasionally won against big opponents, but he lost 2 matches for every one he won against those people, and usually lost the feud overall (meaning he would lose the last match against someone and then just move on). Worst of all, he'd say all this stuff about how his opponent was a phony and he was going to expose them, or how he was going to open their eyes to the truth or whatever, but then nothing would change and they would just go on. No, he can't win every single match, but when he had 2 big guys like Harper and Rowan in his corner and he STILL lost 3-on-1 to someone like Cena or Reigns for the umpteenth time, it makes him look bad. His tag team with Matt Hardy was lame in my opinion (mostly because I think the Broken/Woken Matt Hardy gimmick is dumb), but it's over now anyway because Matt is injured and possibly retiring
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level 67
Dec 25, 2018
I don't know if I can believe Vince is Republican just out of convenience when Linda ran for Senate twice, and is a member of the Trump administration. Vince doesn't talk about his personal politics where fans can hear it (as far as I know, anyway), but it seems like a safe assumption that he's pretty solidly Republican.
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level 43
Feb 3, 2019
Apparently, The Dead Man...The Phenom is not scheduled to Appear at Wrestlemania 35. Could this omission on the Wrestlemania card portend that retirement is on the horizon for the Legendary UnderTaker Mark Calloway? Rumors abound.....
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level 67
Feb 4, 2019
Could be. If he misses Wrestlemania, it will be the first time since Wrestlemania 2000 (or Wrestlemania 16, if it had followed the numbering system of every other year). Retirement rumors have been flying for years now, but sooner or later it has to come true. Seems to me that this is a good year to go out on, as he had a brief but dominant victory over John Cena last year. Realistically there's no chance of ending on a higher note than that. I know lots of people say that Taker is old school and would want to go out on his back, but he's already put over two guys on the biggest stage of them all, and at this point it's diminishing returns for a guy in his mid-50's who no longer looks as invincible as he once did at Wrestlemania.
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level 43
Feb 7, 2019
The rumor mills keep turning. Apparently The Undertaker has removed all social media references to his association with the WWE. I'm guessing in this case he's not planning on making any appearences for or signing a legends contract with the WWE anytime in the near future.
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level 67
Feb 8, 2019
I don't know if I want to read anything into that. Taker has always seemed like a pretty private guy to begin with. I'm surprised to learn he even HAS any social media accounts.
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level 43
Feb 8, 2019
Well i think that the WWE sets up and maintains accounts on social media for all of their talent, including The Undertaker. It might have been his own personal venture these accounts that supposedly he deleted the WWE references from. Who knows. The net is always abuzz with rumors. I would have a great deal of difficulty believing that Taker and the WWE are on the outs.
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level 67
Feb 9, 2019
As would I. He's stuck with them for nearly 30 years at this point. I'm pretty sure that he could have a job backstage for life if he wants it. This is probably something to do with retirement, whether it's a sign he's finally hanging it up, or just messing with fans to keep people guessing.
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level 43
Feb 11, 2019
Yes it might be time for The Undertaker to hang up his hat and put that character to rest. He's done more than enough and all he could for the WWF/E. Time for Taker to just be Mark Callaway.
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level 67
Feb 12, 2019
That's pretty much how I've felt since Wrestlemania 30. He had already been on a reduced schedule of pretty much only doing Wrestlemania every year, and the mystique of those Wrestlemania matches was completely gone (for me at least) after the Lesnar match. So it's been difficult to get invested in any of his matches since then.
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level 43
Feb 12, 2019
I still on some level can't reconcile with Taker and Cena getting pummeled by Lesnar. Just seemed and still seems (in hindsight) unnecessary. The Taker jobbing for Lesnar is absolutely ludicrous to me. Lesnar did not need a win over either man.Making a cliche of either Taker or Cena did not get the job done. Lesnar to me does not seem like a traditional character. He neither appreciates or respects the gravity of what happened when he beat those two. His is not a character that needs or deserves to have any kind of torch passed to him. He could have been just as successful today without winning over Taker or Cena. Plus Taker and Cena would look a little better today for it had they preserved the integrity of their respective star power just by that much.
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level 67
Feb 13, 2019
I get why they did it, especially since they had Brock lose a couple matches when he first came back in 2012. They decided they wanted to make him a dominant monster. I still disagree with having him break Taker's streak because a) it should never have been broken in the first place, b) Lesnar hasn't earned it, and c) if it had to be done, somebody who was actually going to be around full time would make more sense. But the thing is, the only reason to build up a guy like Brock that big is to have him put someone over, and he really hasn't done that.
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level 43
Feb 15, 2019
He hasn't put anyone over. Not even himself. By keeping up the same old b.s. that he always has done, Lesnar has actually started turning some of the fans against him. Including myself and i do believe you are no cheerleader for Lesnar either. Other than allowing the one squash match win for Goldberg after his return ( and he did it only to set up a universal title win for him two months later) and the barely win for Roman Reigns, Lesnar hasn't given back to or done what's good and right for the business at all. Him being continually booked as this dominant monster is stale, tired and a lot of people are sooooo over it. Including me and you (i would assume). The Undertakers legacy should have been preserved not frittered away / wasted away on Lesnar. Neither should have Cena jobbed for him either.
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level 67
Feb 19, 2019
I feel the exact same about Lesnar. I was glad when he left in 2004 and disappointed when he came back. I was actually at Extreme Rules in 2012 for Brock's 1st match back, and I was probably the only adult there that was rooting for Cena, even though I'm not a huge fan of him either. I agree that Lesnar hasn't put over people the way he should (although that's the fault of WWE booking - it's not like Brock decides who he does and does not lose to). He has lost to a few people since coming back in 2012 such as Cena, Triple H, Taker, and Goldberg, but he got all those wins back. In terms of establishing newer stars, he has lost to Rollins (via cash-in) and Reigns, although he has beaten Reigns more times than he has lost to him. I think WWE is misusing Brock and they should have had him put over a couple people by now. He is not the draw they think he is, nor does he bring in many fans from UFC. They're wasting money & screwing over their rising stars by feeding them to Brock over & over
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