Take another quiz >

WWE Raw and Smackdown Women's Champions (2016-present)

Currently, the WWE has separate Women's Championships for its Raw and Smackdown brands, both introduced in 2016 after retiring the Divas Championship. How many of the women who held these titles can you name?
Only counts title changes recognized by WWE
Last updated: May 20, 2019
Rate:
4:00
Enter answer here
0
 / 15 guessed
The quiz is paused. You have remaining.
Scoring
You scored / = %
This beats or equals % of test takers
The average score is
Your high score is
Your best time is remaining
Keep scrolling down for answers and more stats ...
Number
Last
Raw Women's Champions
1
2019
Becky Lynch
1
2018
Ronda Rousey
3
2018
Alexa Bliss
1
2018
Nia Jax
4
2017
Sasha Banks
1
2017
Bayley
4
2017
Charlotte Flair
Number
Last
Smackdown Women's Champions
1
2019
Bayley
4
2019
Charlotte Flair
3
2019
Becky Lynch
1
2018
Asuka
1
2018
Carmella
1
2017
Natalya
2
2017
Naomi
2
2017
Alexa Bliss
+1
level 68
Oct 29, 2018
Thanks to this and the Divas Championship quiz I also made today, it's now possible to test your knowledge of all championships WWE has ever had for women on their main roster. I haven't done NXT yet, but maybe I will at some point.
+1
level 43
Dec 19, 2018
I can't believe I got a 100% and with 2:28 to spare. Just didn't think I would know all the major players in the women's division. I almost forgot about Carmella.
+1
level 68
Dec 19, 2018
I take the quiz myself every now and then to try and keep fresh in my memory who has been champion. The two I forget most often are Natalya (because it seems like forever since she's been seriously pushed) and Carmella (who I just never really cared about).
+1
level 43
Dec 19, 2018
It"s always a good idea to test out your invention. I agree that Carmella is a forgettable WWE star. Though I almost instantly thought of Natalya because (like you said) she hasn't been pushed much and i remembered her always complaining on Total Divas to everyone that she isn't getting any good story lines or being pushed and then she finally did get a title run. So i guess Total Divas served some purpose in this case by jarring my memory for the quiz.
+1
level 68
Dec 19, 2018
I've never seen Total Divas. Is it as bad I imagine it to be?
+1
level 43
Dec 22, 2018
About Total Divas being as bad as you heard. Well.to me it wasn't that bad.Though I am not what you would call a reality t.v. buff. My reasons where both p.c. and non p.c. The non p.c. is that Total Divas has a lot of hot females on the show. Okay, I know......I'm a pig. But at same time, I was curious to see what the male wrestlers like John Cena, Daniel Bryan and later the USO's, Rusev and Dean Ambrose had to say for themselves when they were on the show and they made quite a few appearances. So for me it was a chance to see what those stars acted like outside of the ring and arenas. Not compelling television, but did not suck either. John Cena on one episode starting schooling Nikki Bella during a dinner in his mansion about the proper technique to clean wine stains from linen using club soda. He also started schooling D-Bryan about the proper use and storage of a bath mat and towel in a guest bathroom. Seeing Cena being his authentic fastidious self was entertaining.
+1
level 68
Dec 23, 2018
Yeah, from what I've heard about John Cena when it comes to stuff like that, I would not get along with him at all. I also really, REALLY hate both reality TV in general and the Bellas in particular, which is why I've never had even the slightest interest in the show.
+2
level 43
Dec 19, 2018
Definitely cool to see Asuka finally on the champions list. By the way, she had her first successful title defense on SmackDown against Naomi
+1
level 68
Dec 19, 2018
It's long overdue. I wanted Asuka to win at Wrestlemania, but even having her lose they should have had her win the title within a month or two after that. It should never have taken this long to happen.
+1
level 43
Dec 19, 2018
Definitely overdue. I agree that Asuka should have won the belt either by WrestleMania 34 or Summer Slam 2018 (the latest). I guess beggars can't be choosy. At least she is Champion now. Hopefully she will ring in the new year and spring of 2019 (at least) as SmackDown Women's Champion. Here's to hoping that Asuka might stay champion even past WrestleMania 35.
+1
level 68
Dec 19, 2018
Better late than never. It isn't the first time WWE has failed to capitalize on a big star at the right time, then eventually did the right thing six or seven months later. Remember how bad they dropped the ball with CM Punk in 2011 before they finally gave him a decent WWE title reign?
+1
level 43
Dec 22, 2018
I don't actually remember CM punk having had such a difficult time. But then again i didn't really pay that much attention to the whole thing back then. I remember him as being the champion for a real long run, being a Paul Heyman guy and also the new leader of The Nexus. Plus he did those long promos that he called the pipe bomb and of course that weird storyline love triangle between him, AJ Lee and Daniel Bryan. I respect his abilities and contributions but i was never a big fan nor would i be one of those people who would start chanting his name randomly at a wrestling event (not that i have been to any recently) Lets not forget about Samoa Joe, not only did the WWE not capitalize on having a red hot, bad ass, talented super heel in Joe, but they also destroyed him in the process. Plus The Revival not being made World Tag Team Champions is a testament to how little the WWE invests into the Tag Division. The bar is not enough, though it is Sheamus and Ceasaro who are awesome.
+1
level 68
Dec 23, 2018
If you have the chance, go back and watch the main event of Money in the Bank 2011. CM Punk was getting Attitude Era levels of excitement from the fans at that point. They built up this story where he won the title on the last night of his contract and then left WWE with it. So they immediately introduced a new WWE title and had a tournament for it, which Rey Mysterio won... and then Cena challenged him for it on that same night and won it, meaning Rey was champ for like an hour. Then they brought back CM Punk like a week later and reunified the belts at the very next PPV... and then immediately had Punk lose it to a MITB cash in after being randomly attacked by Kevin Nash. This led to Punk believing that HHH had conspired to screw him, so he challenged HHH... and LOST. Then things dragged out for 6 full months before they finally got the title back on Punk. And even when he had the title for 434 days, he only main evented 2 or 3 PPVs in that whole time. He was still 2nd fiddle to Cena
+1
level 68
Dec 23, 2018
Basically what happened is they had a new megastar on their hands, but they derailed his push by having him face HHH and lose, which he never got a rematch to win. Then they wasted time for several months before finally making him champion, then had his matches in the middle of the card half the time when he was champ. Then they made it so obvious as far back as July 2012 that he would lose the title to the Rock at Royal Rumble 2013. And then made him lose to Undertaker at Wrestlemania, then Lesnar a few months later. So they took the biggest star they had made in the last 7 years and jobbed him out to every single part-timer they had, then acted surprised when he didn't want to work for them anymore. Now I was never a huge Punk fan before this push, and I got tired of him about halfway through his title reign, but the fact is he was WAY over with fans and WWE not only failed to capitalize, they deliberately derailed it as much as they could.
+1
level 43
Dec 23, 2018
As I mentioned before I am not thoroughly familiar with PUNK's history. But from what you are telling me it sounds as though the WWE was up to "business as usual" in their dealings with Punk. It all sounds pretty effed up. That is to say totally sounds like the WWE. So given these facts as well as the WWE serving CM Punk with lawsuit papers on his wedding day, not surprised at all if Punk hates the WWE and would tell them to "go pound salt".
+1
level 43
Dec 23, 2018
HHH's saga is a rich history of selfishness and pettiness with regards to putting over or burying talent. Punk and then Sting (two of his many victims). I think we can all agree that Sting is just a tiny bit bigger of a star than CM Punk ever was. Yet HHH di#_ed Sting around and jobbed him out. I can't forgive them for Sting. Nope. But it seems that the WWE and HHH have wronged egregiously CM Punk as well. Although, Sting seems rather warm and friendly towards the WWE. So only the lord knows how much Sting was paid then to job for HHH. So it would seem as though Sting was then at least compensated for his troubles and treated well behind the scenes unlike CM Punk. A sad story indeed.
+1
level 68
Dec 24, 2018
I took a break from watching WWE for several years in the late 2000s, but I do know some things from reading online. CM Punk came up through the WWE revival of ECW; he was telling the truth when he said he was a "Paul Heyman guy." WWE wasn't even that interested in him at the time. Supposedly they even told Heyman to fire Punk at one time, but he refused. He did well for himself, well enough to become the first two-time Money in the Bank winner (Edge cashed in 2 briefcases, but only actually won the MITB ladder match once). Then they depushed Punk for awhile, and he was getting frustrated and thinking about leaving when they let him air all his grievances on-air in what became known as his "pipe bomb." He really did see himself as the best wrestler in the world (which I don't agree), and felt like WWE was actively holding him back, which they were. A lot of what he said about WWE in that promo resonated with fans and caused people to get behind him to a greater degree than ever before
+1
level 68
Dec 24, 2018
That was really the start of WWE's over-reliance on part timers. At that time, Cena was still full time, and HHH was just transitioning into more of an authority figure than an active wrestler. The Rock was just starting to make appearances with WWE again after distancing himself from them for 6 or 7 years. Lesnar didn't come back until spring of 2012, so really at first Undertaker was the only real part-timer they relied on heavily. Punk was the first person I can think of who ran the full part-timer gauntlet (HHH, Rock, Undertaker, Lesnar) and lost to them all. Considering he had garnered WWE more mainstream coverage than they had gotten in at least 5 years and that's how they repaid him, I think his rage was justified. Others have had it worse than him, but he still very much had a point. Punk always came off as a jerk, but that doesn't make him wrong.
+1
level 68
Dec 24, 2018
There's no doubt that Triple H's reputation for burying talent is justified, but it's also hard to know the full story of what's true and what's not. There's no question that he's won many times when he should have been putting someone over (Jericho back in the Undisputed Championship days, Booker T back at WM19, Goldberg during his first WWE run, and many more), but some things that are attributed to him seem farfetched. I've heard it said he came up with the Montreal Screwjob, but even if that was true the blame is on Vince for doing it. It's not as if HHH had any booking power back then.
+1
level 43
Dec 24, 2018
From what I have seen. CM Punk was a very good wrestler and apparently had a talent to rally the fans behind him. Of course I too never thought he was the best in the world. But top 15, yes. He was only about 200 lbs. Can't really expect him to whoop Batista, Taker or The Rock convincingly. Though from what you're telling me they could have booked him better. But he was two time world champion right? That is still something else. Plus he was a founding father of R.O.H. (along with D-Bryan). I didn't know that punk entered the WWE through the ECW backdoor. ECW has provided the WWE with some really good talent over the years.
+1
level 43
Dec 24, 2018
HHH definitely has been generous to himself with title runs. Not so much with others. However, i don't understand the inclusion of Goldberg in this comment as Goldberg's one and only WWE World Championship was won by pinning none other than HHH. The finish was executed in typical Goldberg fashion: SPEAR, JACK HAMMER SUPLEX, PINFALL.
+1
level 43
Dec 24, 2018
As far as the Montreal screw job. I never heard anything about HHH ever being responsible for nor being involved in it in a meaningful way. Supposedly weeks leading up to Bret Hart leaving for WCW, McMahon, Jim Cornette and Bruce Pritchard were having creative meetings amongst themselves and Hart and HBK trying to negotiate and work out a way for Bret Hart to cleanly drop the title before leaving. Every suggestion to Hart from the then creative team was met with resistance and excuses by Bret Hart. Then one day supposedly McMahon had a phone conversation with Eric Bischoff where he promised McMahon that he will not allow Hart to appear on Monday Nitro with the WWE world title. Well, that was enough for Vince McMahon to say , eff that. We're getting the belt off Bret tomorrow night one way or the other. Because he didn't want the Crown Jewel title belt of the WWE receiving the same treatment on WCW TV that Alundra Blaze gave the WWE Diva's title.
+1
level 68
Dec 25, 2018
Punk was a 2 time WWE Champion, but he had also been a 3 time World Heavyweight Champion and 1 time ECW Champion, back when they were still trying to make the WWE version of ECW relevant (as opposed to later on when Chavo Guerrero, the reigning ECW Champion, entered the Royal Rumble match). As far as I know, Punk was never in the original ECW back when it was still owned by Heyman. WWE could definitely have booked him better, though I don't think he's gotten nearly as bad a treatment as some have. With regard to Goldberg, yes Triple H did put him over eventually, but not until Triple H got a win over Goldberg first. He beat Goldberg in the Elimination Chamber, and even though he used a sledgehammer that was brought in by Ric Flair, it was still Goldberg's first loss in WWE. That's the thing about Triple H - he may put people over sometimes but he always gets his win in too, and usually gets his win first or on the biggest stage.
+1
level 68
Dec 25, 2018
My understanding of the situation is that Bret was willing to lose the title, but not to HBK and not in Canada. He offered to drop it to someone else, and he was within his rights to refuse because he had creative control in his contract. The thing is, Bret and Shawn HATED each other. Vince was definitely afraid of a repeat of the Alunda Blayze incident, but you also have to remember he was the one who told Bret to go to WCW in the first place. Bret didn't want to leave, but Vince could no longer afford the big lucrative contract he had signed Bret to just a year or two earlier. While Bret definitely took himself and his character too seriously, Vince knew that about him and also knew of his hatred for Shawn. He could have let Bret drop the belt to Austin or someone else and then had that person drop it to Shawn right after. In the long run things worked out since the Screwjob created the Mr. McMahon character which propelled Austin to mega-stardom. If only WCW hadn't misused Bret...
+1
level 68
Dec 25, 2018
Anyway, I have heard that Triple H was the one who originally suggested they screw Bret out of the title, but I don't know whether that's actually true or not. The exact quote that's attributed to him is “F**k him! If he won’t do business, then you do business for him.” Who can say if that's true?
+1
level 43
Dec 26, 2018
I wasn't aware CM Punk held the old WCW belt as well. Almost seems like he's kind of a whiny brat. I mean 6 world titles ? How then can he claim being misused ? Okay, he wasn't in that many main events. But Six world titles!!! If eventually relationships can be mended CM Punk should be a shoe in for the Hall of Fame. I wasn't aware CM Punk was as decorated of a super star as he was.
+1
level 43
Dec 26, 2018
Yes, Bret was adamantly opposed to losing in Canada or anywhere else. I know Bret and HBK had no love loss whatsoever. Bret took his s#_t quite seriously much to the shagrin of some other stars in the locker room. Vince Mcmahon had Hart on like a 20 year contract. He was already paying Hart 7 figures. But WCW offered like 2/3 more. Yes VInce had to concede and tell Bret to take the offer. Jim Cornette seems to be taking partial credit for and giving the rest to Vince McMahon and the creative team coming up with a double cross finish against Bret. Whether or not HHH was responsible is irrelevant at this point. I dislike HHH as much as Brock Lesnar. Both are selfish, self serving S.O.B's
+1
level 68
Dec 27, 2018
Oh yeah, CM Punk won Money in the Bank 2 years in a row and won the World Heavyweight Championship when it still meant something. Though he did get squashed by the Undertaker to lose that belt once. His problem is he wanted to be THE top guy, basically above John Cena, and WWE wasn't willing to give him that. He wanted to main event Wrestlemania, which he never did. He also had other complaints regarding sponsorships, preferential treatment for certain people, not being able to take time off, etc. some of which are legit grievances. However, in terms of quantity of championships won as well as length of title reigns, he certainly did well for himself. I encourage you to look up his comments for yourself though, rather than form your opinion of him based on what I'm saying. He went on Colt Cabana's podcast where he aired his major grievances, and that's a worthwhile listen if you're curious about him.
+1
level 68
Dec 27, 2018
As for Triple H, when he is able to think outside his ego he seems to have a very good mind for the business. The problem is that his ego DOES get in the way, as we've discussed. My point in bringing up his alleged involvement in the Screwjob is that people accuse him of things even beyond his well-known history of holding down other talent to put himself over. There have been times when I found him unbearable to watch (2003-05 or so, when he was with Evolution), but otherwise I have a healthy respect for his body of work, even if I wouldn't put him in the absolute top tier of greatest wrestlers ever.
+1
level 43
Dec 31, 2018
Yes indeed it all worked out fantastically for Vince McMahon and the WWE. To the victor goes the spoils (Billions of Dollars and Wrestling World Domination). Plus i'm sure Ted Turner and Aol / Time Warner did not lament their loss of positon in the wrestling world too much either. As far as Bret Hart's WCW run, at the time WCW could give lessons to Vince McMahon on talent misuse and bad booking. Plus I do believe the strong Hogan influence (in everything at WCW at the time) may have contributed to Bret Hart's lackluster bookings and push. As we all (may or may not) know there wasn't significant love loss between that of Bret Hart and Hulk Hogan and this friction stemmed from their WWF days. I do believe it plausible that the Hulkster exerted his considerable influence to thwart Bret Hart's success at WCW. Again this is speculation based upon hearsay.
+1
level 68
Jan 2, 2019
Hogan definitely was not willing to move aside and let younger talent shine. That's why WCW seemed to turn into the Hogan Show from about 1996 onwards. I give them credit for finding a way to freshen him up with the heel turn, but they kept the NWO going far too long and kept Hogan on top until he suffocated them by driving most of the young up-and-comers out of the company. Even then I think they eventually could have recovered if some Time Warner executive hadn't killed off WCW's TV deal. But yeah, I see modern WWE making almost all the same mistakes as WCW was making back in the day, except there's no competition big enough to threaten them so they just continue on despite themselves.
+1
level 43
Jan 2, 2019
Yeah. Hogan, the NWO, Bischoff and Russo definitely bent WCW over the proverbial table and went at it. They took WCW for everything. Yes indeed they drove out the likes of Goldberg, Jericho, Austin, Pillman, Benoit, Lance Storm, Guerrero's etc in the process. Definitely now that McMahon is king of the hill he does not see anything as being broken and needing fixing. They probably will figure it out when they lose like a third or more of their fans / viewers. Maybe not even that soon. All we can hope for in the interim is that a very strong number two contender organization will once again emerge to fill the void. I doubt anybody will over take the WWE not for years down the road at least.
+1
level 68
Jan 3, 2019
The weird thing is that Raw has recently drawn some of the lowest TV ratings they have EVER had, and yet they're still making money hand over fist. WWE Network subscriptions are still pretty strong, they just got a huge new TV deal for Smackdown recently and it wasn't too long before that they got a new deal for Raw. Plus all the boatloads of money coming in from their Saudi Arabia deal, and I'm sure they do well at the various international shows or they wouldn't be traveling so much. So even though they've been putting less effort than ever into quality writing and storytelling (not the wrestling, that's been great for the most part), they're making perhaps more money than ever. Which is probably why they don't fix these problems.
+1
level 43
Dec 26, 2018
Vince McMahon felt no other choice but to double cross Hart. He did trust Bret Hart and took him by his word that he won't bring the WWE title on to WCW tv. Again, it was Eric Bischoff who concerned Vince McMahon. It is crazy to think that this act of necessary treachery was the catalyst for the most controversial, inspirational, creative and transformative period in professional wrestling.
+1
level 68
Dec 27, 2018
Things certainly worked out well for Vince and WWE. I am surprised that WCW couldn't find a better way to use Bret though.
+1
level 43
Dec 31, 2018
Here's to Wishing that 2019 will finally be the year of the WWE giving the fans what they want. The year Asuka has a great title run as does Becky Lynch. The year when Charlotte and Sasha just kind of chill and blend in with the scene (with out of course looking weak or like chumps) same for Rousey. Perhaps maybe even the year when the WWE gives Bayley a chance at a decent / strong looking push and perhaps title run as well. Basically we can all only hope and root for the WWE finally rewarding talent, charisma and hard work with the proper support the talent needs (and deserves) behind the scenes and in the ring (e.g. strong, viable angles and storylines along with careful, legitimate and strong bookings. This I fondly wish for both the women's and men's division for 2019 and beyond.
+1
level 68
Jan 2, 2019
I think they've officially announced Women's Tag Team Championships, so that will help in terms of giving some of them something to do. I think Sasha and Bayley have been doing some kind of on-again, off-again frenemies thing, so perhaps they will be a tag team for awhile. That just means we need something for Charlotte to do to distract her from the big titles for a little while.
+1
level 43
Jan 2, 2019
I don't understand the whole Bayley / Sasha thing. Bayley seems to be booked as a capable yet push over talent who usually falls "just" a hair short of the big wins. Whereas Banks seems to be booked as the always next champion just biding her time (as Charlotte is).Charlotte and Asuka as a dominant tag team? We'd have a Ric Flair / Sting thing happening then. Unless they pair Sasha and Charlotte together. Then find Bayley somebody else. But yeah I agree the newly minted women's tag championship should allow the opportunity for some other deserving talent to "share in the championship wealth". Lol. Maybe Natalya Neidhardt will finally get a good title push. She could form the " New Hart Foundation".
+1
level 68
Jan 3, 2019
They've made a big deal about Natalya being friends with Ronda Rousey (because she's done a lot of training Ronda to wrestle), so that would be a logical pairing... except I really don't think having Ronda dominate the tag division too would be a good idea. Personally I think Ronda, Charlotte, Becky, and Asuka should all stick to singles and not compete for the tag titles. I see the Iconic Duo as being big in the tag division, although I can't even remember their individual names.
+1
level 43
Jan 6, 2019
Word is Charlotte, Becky and Carmella to face off in a three way match to determine Asuka's upcoming challenger for her title. Differing stories abound. With Carmella winning the 3 way match and will be the sacrificial lamb for Asuka at Wrestlemania. Freeing up Charlotte and Lynch to focus on Ronda Rousey. Or Lynch regaining the SmackDown belt and then facing Rousey at Wrestlemania in a Champion vs Champion match. With Charlotte left as a "smoking gun" and "wild card" in that equation. Interesting....
+1
level 68
Jan 8, 2019
I think Asuka needs a win over Carmella after the way things went between them last year. It doesn't scream Wrestlemania match to me, though. I'd rather see that happen at the Rumble. Becky going after Rousey at WM sounds like the best plan to me. I'm not really sure what to do with Charlotte... she feels like a third wheel in Becky/Ronda to me, but I also don't want a rematch of last year's clash between her and Asuka.
+2
level 43
Jan 8, 2019
Asuka must and definitely deserves to win the match and retain her title.
+1
level 68
Jan 8, 2019
I agree. This time last year she was the biggest rising star in the women's division, and they completely killed her momentum after Wrestlemania. I didn't like her losing to Charlotte last year, but it would have been fine if she didn't then also proceed to lose to Carmella while looking like an idiot and then vanish from TV for several months. They've only just recently gotten her back on track. Asuka needs to win against all challengers until at least Wrestlemania, preferably longer.
+1
level 68
Jan 8, 2019
I'm not sure what WWE will do with them, but here's something I could imagine in the old days: Charlotte and Becky put aside their differences and agree that one of them has to beat Ronda. They even work together for awhile during the Rumble match, both trying to win but not focusing on eliminating each other. Charlotte gets eliminated by someone else (before the final four), and Becky eventually wins the Rumble. Things are still looking good between them though, until Charlotte betrays Becky and attacks her at Wrestlemania during the match. Becky still wins the title, but Charlotte and Ronda stand tall at the end of the night. The next night on Raw they announce that as the most dominant women in WWE they are joining forces to take over the whole women's division, starting with the tag division but also coming after both Becky and the Smackdown women's champ. That should be good for at least a few months' worth of story ideas.
+1
level 43
Jan 8, 2019
Here's another development. Now Sasha Banks after challenging Ronda Rousey on the recent episode of Raw and winning a qualifying match, will now be facing her at the Royal Rumble for the Raw Womens Title. So I don't know if the WWE plans on having Rousey drop the title to Banks. Will this now make the waters murkier in the women's division? Who knows. Now I have to wonder if Vince Mcmahon is trying to sneak in another Charlotte vs. Sasha match -again for the Women's Title. Another possibility is that by Rousey dropping the belt to Banks two things happen. First Sasha is "over" again as champion. Second, Rousey is now freed up to battle Lynch or Charlotte or both. Will this now make it possible for Becky Lynch to be even more SO "over" in the WWE and then Challenge and perhaps defeat Sasha Banks for the Raw title? Who knows. It would make sense. This way Ronda Rousey does not lose twice (to Banks and Lynch) yet Sasha gets a run with the Raw belt and so does Becky Lynch.
+1
level 43
Jan 8, 2019
The only loose end in this theoretical scenario is Charlotte. Unless they simply choose to allow her to kind of blend in and go by the way side for the time being. Maybe they can create a new storyline rival to divert her attention from Rousey and the title scene. Perhaps a Women's Tag Team Title Run is another option. But they would have to find a good way to pair her up with someone.
+1
level 68
Jan 8, 2019
I like Sasha and I think she will be champion again. I do not think she will win at the Royal Rumble. It's always possible, but unless WWE does it purely for shock value, I don't think they will pass up having Ronda go into Wrestlemania as champion. Sasha could end up facing whoever ends up the odd woman out between Becky and Charlotte, though.
+1
level 43
Jan 9, 2019
Ronda Rousey does still have quite a bit of star power as well as that Bad Ass Championship level MMA fighter credibility. However Sasha Banks has not only her fame from being a top of the card WWE wrestler for a few years now, she also has some famous familial connections. This also gives her some strong Pop Culture relevance as well. Ronda Rousey's pop culture relevance as the baddest fighter on earth also must be noted. So this makes for an interesting dilemma at least for most sane and reasonable minded individuals who would be asked to render a booking and story line direction decision for Sasha Banks and Ronda Rousey. Though we are talking about the WWE / Mcmahons. I also feel compelled to point out that fans have started showing signs of becoming a bit weary of Ronda Rousey over the past couple of months. Perhaps it may be time for Ronda to drop the belt and maybe just focus on kicking the Irish Lass and the Queens ass or put one of them over.
+1
level 68
Jan 10, 2019
Well, we now know that Becky is facing Asuka for the Smackdown Women's Championship at Royal Rumble. So odds are good she won't be in the Rumble match itself, unless they pull an Edge thing where she loses her title match, then steals someone's spot in the Rumble match and goes on to win it. So now I have a new idea: Becky loses her rematch to Asuka thanks to a distraction from Ronda (maybe Rousey is on commentary or something), and in retaliation Becky somehow costs Rousey her title either the same night or at whatever the February PPV is called. Thus setting up Becky vs. Ronda at Wrestlemania, with neither one being a champion because it's a grudge match and a championship is not needed to sell the feud.
+1
level 43
Jan 10, 2019
We certainly do know that Lynch is getting a rematch for the belt. I think your suggested booking is a great idea. This enables Sasha and Asuka to be champions. In the meantime Lynch and Rousey still look tough, bad ass and are totally still over. This would make it look like the two toughest women in the WWE are so enthralled with their rivalry that they both foresaked their title runs just to get a chance at one another -a chance for a measure of revenge. With that being said, despite Vince McMahon's payment of 'lip service" to fans he won't be doing anything like this. More than likely Asuka will be dropping the belt to Lynch. Sasha will have a good match against Rousey but will come up short. Then at Wrestlemania it will be Rousey vs Lynch vs Charlotte for a women's singles title. This kind of sucks. However it is realistically a more WWE top brass friendly idea than your fan pleasing, sensible and totally top shelf idea.
+1
level 68
Jan 12, 2019
They do seem rather committed to that triple threat idea. I don't think it's a good one - Charlotte very much feels like an unnecessary third wheel in that rivalry to me. I understand that they had to sub her in when Becky was injured before Survivor Series, but that should have been the end of her involvement.
+1
level 43
Jan 12, 2019
I think the WWE is planning to re up their push for Charlotte. Saw some online article about how she is actually getting frustrated for having to apologize constantly for her accomplishments (e.g. her numerous title runs etc.) and for being Ric Flair's daughter. More than likely this will come into play with her future storylines. I predict another heel turn for her as well as title run soon. Becky Lynch will be champion one way or the other. Just feel bad for Asuka and Sasha Banks.
+1
level 68
Jan 12, 2019
To my way of thinking Charlotte has nothing to apologize for. She is legitimately one of the best women on the roster right now, and will likely be in the conversation for GOAT female wrestler by the time her career is over. I just want the spotlight to be shared more between her and other deserving people on the roster. I've always thought WWE is best when their focus is on a group of top stars rather than one singular person, and that goes for the women's division as well as the men's.
+1
level 43
Jan 14, 2019
I agree that Charlotte has nothing to apologize for. She certainly has the talent, skills and the look to be a top of the card main event star. If the WWE chooses to constantly push her and keep her in the Title scene, she would be a fool not to accept such a storyline and run. That being said, the blame therefore falls on the WWE. Despite her talent and qualifications, (as you had said also) there are other stars who also deserve to share in the spotlight and be given a chance to shine. Certainly, Charlotte's inclusions in the discussion of being GOAT has many strong merits. However, there are other stars in the women's division who are right now deserving of consideration such as Trish Stratus and Mickie James. Sasha Banks given enough time and title runs will also be a strong contender for GOAT status as would Ronda Rousey (if she sticks around long enough).
+1
level 43
Jan 14, 2019
As far as focusing on groups, there really aren't many factions today in the WWE. I mean you have The New Day, that is all I can think of currently, At one point back in the day, you had The Nation, The Corporation, Ministry of Darkness, Evolution, The Nexus and more recently The Shield and The Legaue of Nations (was it?). WCW during the war era had The Horseman and the NWO, before that they had The Horseman and The Dudes With Attitudes. Just doesn't seem like there was much of a fertile ground for pushing factions in my opinion with the exception of the few teams I mentioned. But maybe things will change. Perhaps the WWE will become serious about actually putting together the Four Horsewomen. Plus they may once again create some strong factions in the men's division as well.
+1
level 68
Jan 15, 2019
I agree that Charlotte is not there yet in the discussion of GOAT women wrestlers, but she is well on her way given the place she's at in her career right now. She has not yet had the impact and legacy of someone like Trish, Chyna, Wendi Richter, etc. but there's no reason to believe she won't get there. I believe if she woke up tomorrow and decided to retire from wrestling and change careers, Charlotte would have a strong chance of going into the WWE Hall of Fame, and not just because they need one woman inductee every year. So basically, we're in complete agreement about her I think.
+1
level 68
Jan 15, 2019
I think wrestling went into faction overload during the Monday Night Wars. WWF during that period had the Nation of Domination, the Corporation, the Ministry (who later blended with the Corporation), the Brood (who were like an autonomous extension of the Ministry, weren't they?), and DX as their most famous ones. But then they also had Right to Censor, the Oddities, The Truth Commission, and many more. WCW started off with the Horsemen and the NWO, but then they also ended up with NWO Wolfpac, LWO, and probably more that I don't remember since I wasn't able to watch much WCW back then. There have been factions since then, such as the ones you mentioned as well as La Familia, the Wyatt Family, and a few others, but never on that scale again.
+1
level 68
Jan 15, 2019
The good thing about factions is that it gives writers a way to have storylines for a bunch of people at once. But there are drawbacks too, as people get lost in the shuffle, or members of the faction look incompetent if the group doesn't dominate the competition. Rarely do they have more than one or two good factions at a time anymore, and rarely do they go above 3 or at most 4 people at a time anymore, with Nexus being the biggest exception. I do think that perhaps it's time for a couple more factions, particularly in the women's division. We already have the Riott Squad and Absolution, but the problem is that none of the big stars are in those groups so they aren't allowed to be dominant. Also there are no other big groups for them to feud with.
+1
level 43
Jan 15, 2019
The thing about all of those great past factions were pretty star studded (especially compared to today). They were all high caliber talent, allowed the necessary leeway in their storylines and provided proper booking (for the most part) to help put over not only the individual stars but the groups as a whole as well. This is not the case today. It feels to me like an everyone for themselves climate in the WWE today, Very political and cut throat. Just the way the Mcmahon's like it apparently. if it is business as usual, then I see no real future for factions in the WWE. Just the occasional side show act (like Adam Rose and his group and The New Day).
+1
level 43
Jan 15, 2019
I don't really see any success with factions in the women's division in particular. No way do I see the WWE planning storylines in such a direction or Charlotte or Sasha Banks taking on a team oriented role involving being in the limelight less. The storylines and bookings for those two are very much geared towards selfish individual achievement. If Sasha and Charlotte or Ronda Rousey were agreeable to forming factions or even at least a cohesive tag team, I think then we would have something special. At least in the men's division we had The Shield. They were pretty dominant and successful as a team and individually as well, I'm sure you'll agree. Too bad they almost seem like an aberration in the WWE.
+1
level 68
Jan 15, 2019
We currently have two factions in the women's division, but I'll admit I don't find either the Riott Squad or Absolution all that memorable. It probably doesn't help that I only watch recaps online, but other than Ruby Riott I can't even name most of the others... although I think Paige was in Absolution for a bit before she had to retire from active competition. If star power is an issue, I think it's one that may be solved with time. It's only been a few years since they started taking the women's division seriously after all, so with a bit more time they can build up more stars and then maybe factions will follow. Becky isn't the kind of character to join a faction, but maybe someone like Sasha, Alexa, or Ronda if she ever turns heel someday could be the leader of a group. Any faction involving Charlotte would draw inevitable comparisons to the Four Horsemen, for better or worse. Maybe it's worth doing anyway, maybe it's not. I dunno.
+1
level 68
Jan 15, 2019
WWE did several things right with the Shield that they did wrong with other groups. For starters, they were booked as serious threats, and as more than the sum of their parts. For a long time, nobody could beat them. Guys like Daniel Bryan, Kane, the Undertaker, John Cena, Ryback (back when he was still a rising star), all faced the Shield and lost, because they were booked to be more than the sum of their parts. While Dean Ambrose or Seth Rollins or even Roman Reigns might be beatable individually, once the others arrived to support them they were more than a match for anybody. Even with that group though, WWE messed up sometimes, like the time CM Punk took them on in a 3-on-1 elimination handicap match and won. But for the most part they were made to look like a big deal, and they won when it counted. That's the difference between them and groups like the Nexus, the Straight Edge Society, or the Wyatt Family.
+1
level 43
Jan 16, 2019
I can't even feign any familiarity with the women's division right now, as I too haven't actually watched television in any meaningful quantity for some time now, including WWE programming. I have no idea what factions exist in either the men's or women's division. Who ever it is that you mentioned are obviously quite forgettable groups if they don't merit much mention on the internet. I do remember Paige being in a faction. There has been attempts by fans to lump together the likes of Sasha, Charlotte, Becky and Bayley into a dream group dubbed "The Four Horsewomen". Indeed I do see Becky Lynch as somewhat antisocial and therefore not a good candidate for inclusion in a faction. Although in WCW Chris Benoit managed a run with the Horsemen despite his otherwise Rabid, " Lone Wolverine" persona. Therefore given the right circumstances perhaps Becky Lynch may find a way to assimilate into a team dynamic.
+1
level 43
Jan 16, 2019
If the WWE does decide to form the Four Horsewomen, they will need to include Natalya. Not necessarily as a competitive talent member, but perhaps as a J.J. Dillon like straight laced heel manager role that keeps the group always on task. She'd be perfect for that. Although I could envision her being the curmudgeonly straight laced heel competitive member as Ole Anderson once was in the original Horsemen. So definitely Natalya should be included if they do the Four Horsewomen.
+1
level 43
Jan 16, 2019
The Shield was probably the most impactful faction in Wrestling since The NWO. Evolution was just a bunch of overpushed, cocky, d-bag champions or ex champions. Where as DX was just a star studded fraternity side show. I admit that I was not a fan of The Shield. Especially since they often (to the point of over kill) resorted to three on one attacks. However in hindsight I understand the purpose of their existence. I do appreciate the accomplishments of all three members. They will all make Hall of Fame one day. Given the fact that all three Held every title that the WWE had to offer (except Rollins...yet) indeed would be a travesty of justice if they weren't inducted one day. Lesnar on the other hand I.M.H.O. would be the opposite. His inclusion in the Hall of Fame would be injustice. Lol.
+1
level 43
Jan 16, 2019
Speaking of Lesnar and the Universal Title. Rumor has it that Lesnar is definitely intended to stay Champion. Also Vince McMahon never intended to have Strowman face Lesnar for the title. Vince McMahon is concerned about having Strowman lose yet again in a title match and the further damage to Strowmans momentum and fanfare that such a loss would incurr. Strowman was simply an advertising "Strawman". This match was promoted (deceptively) to supposedly draw more ticket sales and attention. All the while McMahon was planning to introduce the last minute (and real intended) opponent for Lesnar in a grand fashion. Balor was just an opportunity for McMahon to "kill two birds with one stone" by having a viable sacrificial lamb for Lesnar while trying to stymie All Elite Wrestling's recruitment efforts. I know, it sounds a little crazy. Like quite a well formed conspiracy theory. But this is what I have heard on the interwebs thus far.
+1
level 68
Jan 17, 2019
The Four Horsewomen thing was a nickname hung on the four of them because they came up at around the same time, made a big splash in NXT and on the same roster, and because one of them is a Flair. WWE may have used the nickname a few times for publicity purposes, but they have never been booked as an actual group. And to be honest, I don't think they should be, despite many fans fantasy booking such. Becky should be on her own for much the same reason that Stone Cold was on his own, that's just the type of personality they exude with their characters. It may be that down the line Lynch's persona will evolve in such a way that being part of a group makes sense, but that is definitely not the case right now.
+1
level 68
Jan 17, 2019
What do you mean "except Rollins... yet?" He was the first of the group to win the WWE Championship. He actually cashed it in mid-match during Reigns vs. Lesnar at Wrestlemania a few years ago, which was good because that match was INCREDIBLY dull before he joined it.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
I agree that Lynch is better off remaining a singles competitor. If it worked for Stone Cold, I think it will work for Becky Lynch as well and it is thus far.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
The Four Horsewomen nickname was definitely a promotional attempt on the part of the WWE during the NXT days of that group of women. The Four Horsemen were actually a result of a group of real life close friends who were all super talented wrestlers that had a genuine interest in forming a group together and to help put one another over and succeed. Which of course showed in their work and performances.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
Oops. My mistake. Except for Rollins and Ambrose. Remember, Rollins and Ambrose have not yet held the Universal Title. Roman Reigns has been Both Universal and World Heavyweight Champion, United States Champion and Intercontinental as well as Tag Champion. Reigns is the first to hold all. Rollins was first to be World Champion. Actually Ambrose was the first to hold any title in The Shield....United States belt.
+1
level 68
Jan 17, 2019
That's true, although even as an Ambrose fan I'll admit that US title reign was terrible. He held the belt for ages and only defended it about as often as Brock defends his titles. Ambrose did absolutely nothing with that belt. I get what you mean now about how Reigns has held both. I'm sure Rollins will hold the Universal title eventually, whether he wins it from Lesnar at Wrestlemania or not. Ambrose... we'll see. I think he deserves it, but his main event pushes haven't gone that well so far, for whatever reason.
+1
level 68
Jan 17, 2019
Regarding Strowman being replaced with Balor, and Lesnar being intended to hold the title til Wrestlemania, I have heard much the same. The idea of Balor going over is about 90% wishful thinking on my part (more because I want Lesnar to lose than because I care about Balor winning), and about 10% because almost no one would expect it. If WWE are serious about trying to shake things up, then what is even the point of having this match? No one in their right mind could expect Finn Balor to defeat Brock Lesnar. By all logic it should be a 60 second squash match because as soon as he gets his hands on Balor, Balor is done. Balor is under contract until his contract ends, so it's not like they have to give him a high profile match if they're not serious about pushing him. It does nothing to further the goal of keeping him away from AEW.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
I'm sure also that Rollins will get his time with the Universal title. Ambrose right now is embroiled in this bitter, vindictive storyline that he has where he has I guess all this animosity towards Rollins and the whole world it seems. Once they navigate him away from this, I'm sure he can resume his normal clustered / chaotic storylines / gimmicks. Lol. Then maybe another title run for him as well. Just kind of interesting that just about every one of Roman Reigns's title runs were riddled with chaos, tumult and abruptly ended for one reason or the other. Plus they were all short. The Universal run I believe being the longest so far. While both Rollins and Ambrose at least got a few months with their title runs. A true tease if you will.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
I would be agreeable to Finn Balor taking the strap from Lesnar, if they can do it in a way that looks good. I'm not (and never have been) concerned about Lesnar's credibility, but I just don't want the belt dropped to Balor and then have him end up looking like a "Straw" Champion. Like they only just put the fix in to stop Balor from leaving for AEW. I would like it to look like he earned the title. However, I see no way for the WWE being able to do so based on how they allowed Lesnar and his preferential over the top booking thus far to get so out of hand. They pretty much made him the reigning, invincible, d-bag bully champion of the WWE for as long as he feels like it. So any win against him at this point will look contrived, especially if Balor pulls out a win. I agree with you, that basically Balor will get squashed royally at WrestleMania. It will be one german suplex after another that the poor guy is going to have to endure along with a series of F-5's. Then the pin.
+1
level 43
Jan 17, 2019
Unfortunately, I haven't heard anything about Lesnar only remaining champion up to WrestleMania. Remember the rumors about Mcmahon being concerned about Strowman taking another loss against Lesnar? So, I think they are planning on Lesnar hanging around longer than Mania and as champion. Balor is just going to be another sacrificial lamb. I hope I'm mistaken.
+1
level 68
Jan 18, 2019
Yeah, they've built up Lesnar too much. He needed to lose clean to someone years ago. Instead they've put it off and put it off, and other than Goldberg it seems like nobody could beat him without some insanely contrived circumstances. But I'm just so done with him that I will take literally anything WWE decides to do to take the belt off him. I truly don't care who they put the Universal Title on next, as long as it happens soon. I'll take David friggin' Arquette at this point. Anyone is fine with me. Any circumstance is fine with me. Is that short-sighted? Sure. But I'm just so fed up that I don't even care anymore. I think Balor deserves another chance to get over. I think going over Lesnar when nobody expects him to would be a great way to do it. I also think that booking him as a weak champion, like say how they did with Rey Mysterio when he won the title in 2006, would be very bad for him in the long run. I would like to see him get over and stay there. WWE needs more top guys.
+1
level 43
Jan 18, 2019
I agree. Lesnar is the proverbial 800 lb gorilla in the room that needs to be dealt with (by making him leave the WWE). I am still glad that at least Goldberg got in a nice squash victory against Lesnar. I'll take what I can get. My main concern with Balor winning against Lesnar is that it will most likely come off as contrived and therefore make Balor look like a weak "Straw" champion. I do believe David Arquette's return to wrestling was short lived and ended pretty much after his first hardcore match where he got the s_?t beat out of him. During the match I think he walked out of the ring with pieces of glass from florescent lighting tubes stuck on all parts of his body. I believe he also sustained a nasty cut on his neck. After that he pretty much said he was done with wrestling competition.
+1
level 43
Jan 18, 2019
On the other hand, I could totally envision David Arquette as this ultimate, d-bag heel wrestling manager (who could also take some bumps). He could put whatever acting talent he has to good use doing this. If he loves wrestling so much, he should try that. He could be like the next Bobby Heenan if he works at it. Otherwise, he needs to stay away from being involved in wrestling.
+1
level 68
Jan 20, 2019
Wait, David Arquette came back to wrestling? I didn't even know that - I just brought him up because him winning the WCW Championship is so often brought up as one of the signs that WCW was dying. And yet I'd still find that preferable to Lesnar because that's how sick of him I am. Where did Arquette go to wrestle? I haven't heard hardly anything new about him in more than 10 years.
+1
level 68
Jan 20, 2019
I believe I see what you're talking about with Finn, if he does indeed surprise everyone by winning the title from Lesnar. He could easily end up like Rey Mysterio did when he won the World Heavyweight Championship back in 2006, where he gets his butt kicked all the time and loses everything but the title matches, and looks like he's totally in over his head. On the other hand, there's no reason he HAS to be booked that way. My thought about how he could win is an almost exact recreation of how Eddie Guerrero won the title from Lesnar 15 years ago, and yet he was not booked as a weak champion. It all depends on what they would do with Balor afterward.
+1
level 68
Jan 20, 2019
I think we forget sometimes how quickly WWE can turn someone around and rebuild them when they really set their mind to it. Daniel Bryan is the most recent example - he was floundering after first coming out of retirement, wasted in feuds with people like Big Cass and not being booked like the star he was in 2014. And then out of the blue, he won the WWE Championship and turned heel into a completely fresh, new character. Or back in the day, Bradshaw was doing nothing important after WWE broke up the APA for no good reason, and then all of a sudden he was JBL and he rose up from lower midcard to WWE Champion ridiculously fast. If they put their mind to it, there's almost no one they can't fix if they are smart about how they do it. The problem is that they so rarely ARE smart about these things anymore. They could fix Bray Wyatt if they found the right way how. They could turn Samoa Joe into the biggest badass on the roster overnight if they tried. Or almost anyone else as well.
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
Yes David Arquette did return to wrestling in November 2018. It was actually a long promoted return. He was trying to make amends with wrestling fans for how he thought he wronged professional wrestling during his WCW sideshow stunt. So apparently he made arrangements and struck a deal with Championship Wrestling From Hollywood to promote his supposed legitimate return to wrestling. The story goes on to say he trained rather hard for his return. It was a death match (no less) against someone named Nick Gage. But he got pretty banged up during this anything goes match and very shortly there after decided that wrestling was not his cup of tea after all.
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
Boy it certainly seems like we agree on almost everything just not always at the same time. Lol. How the WWE books a performer can very much affect our perception of a wrestler. That is why I always argue that a lot of the talent acquired from elsewhere can and should be utilized differently. Because some of them I have had the privilege to see perform and be pushed properly elsewhere (e.g. the current roster of TNA transplants, Adam rose and Cody and even Finn Balor). But truth be told, Finn Balor has started looking like a Cosplay character to me here in the WWE. More accurately like a teenager in a Halloween costume. So that is also why for me it would be hard to accept him as just waltzing into Wrestlemania and walking out once again as Univeraal Champion against the likes of Lesnar.
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
I don't think Finn Balor could pull off an Eddie Guererro. Eddie was a cut above performer, technically just as sound as Kurt Angle, Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko (and sometimes as ferocious as any of them). Plus he had that charm and Charisma that made him at worst a Tweener to fans even when he doing a heel angle. He had that swagger and an I don't give an 'eff about nothing, I'm gonna do what ever it takes to achieve my goal attitude and persona that won fans over. A very strong and capable David against a sea of Goliaths. Finn Balor, I can't envision pulling anything like that off. But as you eluded to earlier, where there's a will....there's a way. If WWE creative and Vince and HHH really marshalled their creative skills and will, I'm sure a suitable and totally believable road to the Universal Title could be paved for Finn Balor. The question is however, Do they want to do that?
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
I never doubted Vince McMahon or the WWE's ability to accomplish anything and everything in Wrestling. As long as they want to do so. Certainly no other promotion at the moment has the dominance, infrastructure and capital that the WWE does. Which if used the right way, could create Wrestling Nirvana. D-Bryan was actually an example of the misuse of the WWE's resources (including talent). It took a huge grassroots effort on the part of the fans and a tremendous showing in the ring on the part of D-Bryan before the WWE decided to begrudgingly pull the trigger on him becoming WWE Champion. So actually the WWE was rather counterproductively going about their business with how they initially dealt with D-Bryan.
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
JBL's emergence was a result of Vince McMahon supposedly returning a personal favor to John Layfield. But I gusess JBL did do a good job of acting his real life self during that run. lol. Samoa Joe is a badass and a great talent. When he first debuted on RAW he was made to look like Mayhem and Destruction. I still think he's a great talent and a badass. Just horribly booked and jacked around by the WWE. With him it would be an easy fix. Bray Wyatt I agree also could be fixed. Although as I mentioned before I never was much of a fan of the Bray Wyatt character or the Wyatt family. As a matter of fact I wasn't a fan of the Undertaker at first. I really had not come around as a fan until he faced HBK. Although his American BadAss character was awesome. So I did like that. Plus I found that brief character departure in 2000 or 2001 where basically he was Mark Calloway The Undertaker. Complaining about how ungrateful Vince McMahon is. I found that angle entertaining also.
+1
level 68
Jan 21, 2019
Well, points to David Arquette for trying. I know he was opposed to being WCW Champion from the start, so I don't blame him personally for what happened. And his being booked to win that was more of a symptom than the cause of problems in WCW anyway.
+1
level 68
Jan 21, 2019
Finn Balor isn't who I would choose as the guy that should dethrone Lesnar. Aside from the size disparity, I've just never been a huge fan of his. But if WWE still sees star potential in him the way they did when they first brought him up to the main roster, I think they should do it. He's number one on everyone's list of "people who will probably jump to AEW at the first chance," so it's basically time for WWE to put up or shut up in terms of pushing him. If they don't see that in him then fine, but then why put him in this position? Beating Balor does nothing for Brock Lesnar, and it seems like there are better people to just use as filler for a Lesnar match.
+1
level 68
Jan 21, 2019
Eddie Guerrero is a one-of-a-kind talent and I don't think there will ever be anyone with his mix of technical skill and charm again. He's my favorite wrestler of all time, and his title win and the ensuing reign was the highlight of 2004 in my opinion. And I hated JBL SO MUCH because of how he won the title. They really worked me with that. I hadn't heard that thing about Vince returning a favor for him - I can't imagine what it would have been. Then again, as much as I wanted to believe it, I didn't think Paul Heyman's comment that JBL only became champion because Triple H didn't want to work Tuesdays was totally accurate either.
+1
level 68
Jan 20, 2019
With regard to the possibility of Lesnar staying champion past Wrestlemania, it could definitely happen. It did last year. But I think that would be a huge mistake on their part, with AEW grabbing so many headlines right now. I do think people are getting their hopes up too high for AEW, and anyone expecting the Monday Night Wars to start up again (especially right away) are bound to be disappointed. But WWE is vulnerable right now - their ratings have hit historic lows throughout 2018. At least four of their performers have reportedly asked for release so far (Mike and Maria Kanellis, and the Revival, with others rumored to be thinking about it as well). Apparently Andrade (they shortened his name, dropping the Cien Almas) was recently warning friends of his NOT to sign with WWE. Going full "business as usual" mode right now is the absolute worst thing WWE could do, because now fans and performers alike are going to have a mainstream alternative to WWE again.
+1
level 43
Jan 20, 2019
I believe that more than likely Lesnar will stay champion past Wrestlemania. All Elite is currently on the path to one day becoming a promotional juggernaut, if they stay committed and don't screw up. A lot of wrestlers are becoming more emboldened and feeling empowered by the recent emergence of the new and improved ROH and of course AEW. Now they can voice their dissatisfaction and can have a couple of viable options to flee to if their grievances aren't addressed to their satisfaction by the WWE. One day, Tony Kahn could very well be to Vince McMahon what Ted Turner was at one time albeit hopefully with far more longevity. Interesting and exciting times indeed are on the horizon for both wrestlers and wrestling fans.
+1
level 68
Jan 21, 2019
Well, you may be right but I hope you're not. It's very difficult for me to care about anything on Raw when Lesnar is the champion. I haven't watched a WWE show in nearly 2 years and I don't plan to resume until he is gone. I very well may check out AEW whenever they do start up, just to have a wrestling promotion that's not polluted with Brock Lesnar.
+1
level 43
Jan 22, 2019
I'm a bit confused. So you"re hoping that exciting times are not on the horizon for both wrestlers as well as the fans of wrestling? Are you thinking that i meant that the WWE will some how attempt a hybrid attitude era yet still with a Lesnar title reign? Lol!! What i had meant was that based on these developments recently, wrestlers all over are hopefully starting to feel that they are empowered and will be emboldened to stand up for their integrity and creative freedoms. If Vince Mcmahon doesn't want to get with the program, then the talent will now have a real choice.... a truly positive "crossroad" in their career.They can jump ship and more than likely at least make almost (and hopefully) as much as they would have in the WWE, while being given creative freedom and great push that any talented and committed star deserves.
+1
level 43
Jan 22, 2019
Lesnar sticking around is in no way exciting for me. I would continue to be utterly displeased (to say the least). Tony Kahn, owner of AEW is no chump. He is a wealthy and savvy businessman, with a tremendous background in the professional sports the world over. Something which Vinny Mac has yet to accomplish (ha ha ha ha). All Vinny Mac has to his credit is a large company that has and is completely mishandling their overwhelming dominance in sports entertainment as well as a mediocre straight to video media co and a failed arena football and bodybuilding business venture. I'm going to go on the record to say that I pretty confident that Tony Kahn and the AEW will succeed one day in overtaking the WWE in market dominance in Wrestling / Sports Entertainment. I also believe that the AEW is and will be worlds apart from that of the WWE in a good way. This will benefit both wrestlers as well as of course the fans.
+2
level 43
Jan 22, 2019
In order for Vince Mcmahon to prove that he is serious about listening to fans and making real changes, Lesnar must at the very least be removed from his championship throne and the WWE should also go as far as not continuing their business with him. These actions are part and parcel to the overall legitimacy of Vince Mcmahons public claims that exciting changes are indeed on the Horizon in the WWE and for their fans. Do i believe any of what the Mcmahon's have thus far promised? Not really. But we can hope.
+1
level 68
Jan 22, 2019
What I meant by my previous comment is I hope you're wrong that Lesnar will remain champion past Wrestlemania. As for AEW, they've certainly garnered plenty of hype and look primed to position themselves as an alternative to WWE, a second prominent place for wrestlers that WWE is unable or unwilling to use to their fullest potential. However, I can only get so excited until they actually start producing results. If they're good enough to keep garnering this level of attention once they're actually putting on shows, then I'll be more excited.
+1
level 68
Jan 22, 2019
AEW hasn't even started doing shows yet. I think forecasting that they will overtake WWE in the wrestling market is very premature. WWE is certainly not immune to challenge, but they have taken on all comers from the territory days to WCW and ECW to Impact, ROH, and they're handling New Japan pretty well right now. WWE has been THE name in pro wrestling for more than 30 years, other than a few brief years of serious competition in the late 90's. AEW still has a lot to prove.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
Vince McMahons handling of the competition was basically part savvy (albeit under handed and ruthless) business maneuvers and part luck. He basically drove the competing promotions out of business eventually. So people had nothing else to consume other than what he had to offer and the new NWA / WCW product. His moves could have also backfired on him, like his early attempts to push his product down the throats of fans in the South. Another element of his luck was the overwhelming greed, pride and disorganization of his competitors. Remember Pro Wrestling USA '84 and '85. What a disaster. You had the UWF, CWF, JCP/NWA and the AWA join forces, co promote and attempted to put on a national show to compete with the WWF. Might have worked had they all been on the same page and actually trusted one another in this massive (supposedly) cooperative undertaking. Alas, it didn't. Too many chefs in the kitchen. So all Vinny Mac had to do was sit back and let them back stab one another and fail.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
Then you have WCW. Well, we all know what the cause of their downfall was and I can't give the WWE's Attitude Era 100 percent credit for WCW's demise. There were many other causes of this, that we all know of.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
I seriously doubt that AEW will make the same mistakes. No way. Tony Kahn won't allow it. Plus you are forgetting that many of the grizzled veterans of these promotional wars are still alive, mostly well and around. Plus available to offer their proverbial two cents if asked and if need be. What is to stop Tony Kahn from seeking some friendly advice from Cowboy Bill Watts, Greg Gagne, Jerry Jarrett and Lawler or even Jim Jr and David Crockett ? These men have faced Vince McMahon head on and know what he is all about. This group could provide some valuable guidance to AEW. Plus when I said AEW could overtake the WWE, I said "One Day". Not in one day. Everythings going to be all right though. The good news is AEW will do just fine. This is not good news for the WWE however.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
Although it is my understanding that Cody and both Young Bucks are each Executive Vice Presidents of AEW. I'm sure Cody has learned a lot from his father. After all, Dusty was producer of the wrestling programs for NWA/JCP and the booker. I just hope he showed Cody all the ropes before he passed. This infusion of fresh blood into the wrestling executive realm may be a good thing.
+1
level 68
Jan 24, 2019
A lot of Vince's success came from doing exactly what Eric Bischoff did to him about a decade later: raiding the competition for their talent. As you say, the other territories failed to band together and oppose him, despite trying to do exactly that. And of course WCW ultimately failed for many reasons, chief among which was that Ted Turner lost influence after the AOL/Time Warner merger, and the new executives didn't like wrestling and decided to cancel WCW's TV deal and sell the company to Vince McMahon for a fraction of its value. WWE has since made almost all the same mistakes as WCW made in their last few years, but they're not as vulnerable because A) they have not had any serious competition, and B) because Vince McMahon is still the majority owner and no one has the ability to take that away from him.
+1
level 68
Jan 24, 2019
Tony Kahn has a lot of money and seems to be making all the right moves now, but he has already done one of the same things that made WCW suffer so much, in that he has put a lot of wrestlers in executive positions. One can hope that Cody and the rest will be less selfish than people like Kevin Nash were who abused their booking power and guaranteed contracts, but only time will tell. I want AEW to succeed, but I'm not going to assume they will do everything right until they prove it.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
Well actually it was rather the other way around. Eric Bischoff took lessons from Vince McMahon on how to steal talent. Basically Vince sniped the talent from WCW and other territories and then when he was either done with them or could not keep them any longer, then Eric Bischoff striked and signed them. Ted Turners biggest mistake was his willingness to buy the "bill of goods" sold by this young b-team babyface announcer from the AWA (Bischoff) and made him the Executive Vice President of WCW. I think we're all in agreement that Bischoff as v.p. hemorrhaged money, paid exorbitant contracts to the WWF/E boys, made Kevin Nash and Vince Russo heads of creative / booking and in the process turned WCW into a massive s_$t show. Albeit quite entertaining at times and usually very p.g. These are mistakes that are undeniably Eric Bischoffs. Oh and he allowed Hulk Hogan complete creative autonomy. Another partial mistake.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
As my dear departed mother used to say "Never trust a goat around a head of cabbage" because before you know it the cabbage will be gone. Well Hulk the goat could not be trusted with his autonomy. Rather than use his creative freedom to put on some great matches for the fans, he used his juice to put himself and the NWO over and bury everyone else. At one point WCW Monday Nitro was The Hollywood Hogan and Ex WWF Cronies Show, instead. The executives at Time Warner / AOL saw this ensuing crap show that was going on and said WTF!!! Why are we allowing this? This is not who we are and What we are about! Not good when dealing with a group of cynical, snobbish, uptight conservative executives. Then of course add to that the fact that WCW was losing money. Their ticket, merchandise and pay per view sales couldn't even cover the payroll of the talent. Again, mea culpa goes to Mr. Bischoff.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
So naturally the ladies and gents of AOL/Time Warner decided to pull the plug on the whole thing. Basically giving away WCW to Vince McMahon via a "fire sale". To AOL/Time Warner it didn't matter that WCW dominated television ratings for over a year and a half. These uptight, disdainful yuppies were more concerned with the losses and the perceived negative image to their company as whole that the product of the Monday night wars had brought upon them. Something which scrappy Ted Turner didn't mind and probably enjoyed because he got to stick it to Vince McMahon. So as you said, when Ted Turner's power and influence was diminished that is when finally WCW saw its demise. So instead of having the backing of Turner Broadcasting (and it's billions), WCW now had the disdainful and weary eyes of the new AOL/TimeWarner/Turner corporation casting a leering glance upon them instead.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
I agree with your reservations about having wrestlers as executives in AEW. The bucks just don't strike me as another incarnation of Dusty Rhodes, Bill Watts or Jerry Jarret or Lawler. All guys who were successful in the ring and also managed to give headaches to the Vince McMahon on the business end. Cody I'm not so worried about. Although executive v.p. ? Then again no mention is made about what aspects of this promotions operation(s) they are vice presidents of. Executive Vice President of Talent or Executive Vice President of Programming or Human Resources? I just don't know what they're vice presidents of. My theory is they will be subject to scrutiny, to oversight. No way do I see them simply getting a blank check to do with as they please. If Kahn allows them to run roughshod, WCW style then he's stupid. Then as fans, we must keep our antennas up and our noses on the ready to sniff out the musty odor of a rat. In that case, some kind of funny business is going on at AEW.
+1
level 68
Jan 24, 2019
I still wonder what could have happened if Eric Bischoff had been able to buy WCW since he claimed to have investors lined up. Then again, based on his tenure in TNA I suspect he could not have built it back up to the level of beating WWE again. I also wonder what would have happened to ECW if they had been able to hold on instead of going under at about the same time.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
I believe that this monopoly of Vince McMahon will eventually be the catalyst for some big losses.Although he is majority stock owner. It is plausible that all other shareholders with the exception of his family could sell off their shares. Such a thing could cause WWE stocks to plummet. Next, a mass exodus of talent can occur. What do you think that means? Also further decline in viewership can happen. Declines in merchandise sales. Also, if the aforementioned issues do come to fruition, Fox may very well exercise their option to terminate their contract withe WWE. These are all very real challenges that could be on the horizon for the WWE if they keep doing what they have been doing.His Majesty King Vincent II must deign to humble himself. Otherwise His Royal Highness shall face mutiny on multiple fronts. Simple as that.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
Don't get me wrong. WWE won't be going belly up and certainly won't be ripe for buy out from the competition. But certainly, their stock values could tumble dramatically, let's say 40 percent. Ouch. Plus they could easily lose another quarter if not a third more of their viewers and ticket buyers. Ouch again. Merchandise sales could certainly take a tumble down to half of what it used to be. Ugh!!!!! Not to mention even if they lose just 6 to 8 stars each from Raw and Smack Down.That will hurt as well. So is it worth it for Vince McMahon to lose all that ground, momentum and dominance that he spent years building up ? Just to once again have it his way or the highway. Well only time will answer that question.
+1
level 43
Jan 24, 2019
To answer your question from earlier. I don't think ECW could have survived. They were small potatoes. Especially compared to the WWE and WCW. Paul Heyman was not capable of fostering any kind of a great expansion. As for Eric Bischoff and his phantom investors consortium, I doubt they could have put up any sort of a worthwhile fight. It was his bad decisions that helped put WCW upon the path to demise. So actually, Paul Heyman gets the nod in this comparison as he actually managed to do more with a lot less. It's easy to tout the 80 plus week ratings dominance and chalk up a victory for Bischoff when you have Turner Broadcasting behind you, plus a roster full of ex WWF stars and a turn key and sympathetic fan base. All Paul Heyman had (at least in the beginning) was a small band of crazy devoted fans and a bingo hall in Philadelphia.
+1
level 68
Jan 25, 2019
All of those are certainly things that can happen. I'm just not convinced that they will happen, because I think they would have already by now. If letting a part-timer take the title away for months at a time, failing to properly push their most popular talent, having the same matches over and over for months on and, and drawing their lowest TV ratings EVER doesn't cause the fans to stop showing up or cancel their network subscriptions, I just don't know what will. WWE seems to prefer moving into new markets (India, Saudi Arabia, etc.) as a strategy rather than trying to recapture interest in places where they've been slipping for awhile. Viewership is down but WWE is still pulling in billions from TV deals and Saudi Arabia. Those fans who haven't already walked away seem to be willing to watch no matter what they do.
+1
level 68
Jan 25, 2019
I doubt that ECW would have risen to the level of 1996-1998 WCW, but that doesn't mean they had to go under either. The prevailing opinion seems to be that Paul Heyman was bad at managing money, but after hearing his side of the story I'm not convinced that everything that happened was his fault. They had a substantial amount of money that was owed to ECW, that the company who had the debt refused to pay because ECW lost their TV deal at the same time and they knew Heyman couldn't afford to go after them in court for the money. So he was basically caught between two bad things and couldn't escape without selling to Vince. Maybe it's his fault for getting in that position to begin with, but if things hadn't come together at just the wrong time, I think ECW could easily still be around and be probably about on the level that ROH is now. As for Bischoff... even if he really did have investors ready to buy, I'm inclined to think WCW would have sunk to about where TNA is now.
+1
level 43
Jan 25, 2019
I definitely heard Paul Heyman also made some bad management decisions as well. Plus from what I hear he is pretty much the same sketchy, dubious individual in real life that he portrays on television. That may have played a part in it as well. I have heard the story of how the pay per view company breached their contract with Heyman regarding payperview payments to ECW. I think even if Bischoff did buy WCW he would have had to sell it eventually. He would not have been able to fight the WWE for very long. Although I'm sure he would have negotiated much more than around $2 million for the whole company. The media catalog alone was worth more than that.
+1
level 43
Jan 25, 2019
Yes indeed the scenarios I listed are plausible to occur for the WWE. The WWE network has already experienced lackluster subscription sales. Which is why they lowered the price (and have kept it there ever since) to $9.99 per month. A smaller core of die hard fans is not enough (even if it is around a couple of million) to sustain a worthwhile revenue for the WWE. That is why they are searching for new markets all the time e.g. India, the Asia Pacific, Europe and the middle east. Which is fine as long as their presence shrinks and diminishes here in the u.s. and is replaced with AEW, ROH (if they will put on great shows with great stars) then I'm okay with that.
+1
level 43
Jan 25, 2019
But if AEW and ROH both manages to get a much stronger foot hold here in the U.S. and then they start going after foreign markets as well, then I really don't see much good for the WWE. Although I believe that AEW will probably try to hit the U.S. , Australian and Asian markets first all at the same time. Which I see as a mistake. The U.S. is a ripe market for a smart and willing promotion, especially one with the resources of AEW that could draw possibly as many as 10 to 20 million viewers a week eventually (if they do things right). No promotion (not even the WWE) has seen such a viewership in decades though. So if AEW comes in to U.S. to fill the void that the WWE has left since the early 2000's and can firmly plant their flag here, then they should start chasing Vince McMahon and the WWE around the globe.
+1
level 43
Jan 25, 2019
I've been thinking about why Vince McMahon has such a disdain for wrestling. My theory behind that is this, when he was younger he very much so wanted to be a wrestler. A bona fide star. But Grandfather Jess and Pops Sr did not want that for him. They insisted that a promoter cannot also wrestle. So of course he stayed away. Probably explains also why he dived into body building later on and into arena football. Probably trying to compensate. I guess he figured that if he can't have what he really wants, then no one can. Might be why he seems to make a sport of sabotaging wrestling and wrestlers. By the time Sr. Passed away he was already in his 40's so it wouldn't have made sense to start taking bumps on a regular basis. Might be though also why he did allow Shane to indulge in some in ring action and even pushed him a bit. Plus it might explain why he hated some of the other territories like UWF, CWF and the AWA. All of those promoters were first bonafide wrestling stars before hand.
+1
level 68
Jan 28, 2019
Yeah, Vince does seem to have this weird hang-up about wrestling, as if he's ashamed of it while reveling in it at the sme time. I know he wanted to be a wrestler - I've read that Ted DiBiase's "Million Dollar Man" gimmick was actually Vince's idea for his own character, which he later gave to Ted (who played it to perfection so it's just as well). I do think the whole Mr. McMahon character that developed after the Montreal Screwjob was his chance at a bit of wish fulfillment in that respect, though.
+1
level 43
Jan 28, 2019
Well unless Vince Mcmahon would have been able to portray the Million Dollar Man character earlier on, then by the time Ted Dibiase came to the WWF, Vince was already in his 40"s. So as i said his opportunity by that time passed. He would have been probably been pretty wicked with that character though. But as you said, Ted Dibiase did a great job of running with that character. Plus Vince Mcmahon needed to give Dibiase a great character so as to lure him away from Jim Crockett promotions and into the WWF. I think the Mr. Mcmahon character was his therapeutic exercise to work out his hang ups over not being able to wrestle. Plus he did book himself as the WWE champion once, right? So he got a little taste. Lol. Plus Shane put on a good effort and he was able to live his dreams a little through sonny boy as well.
+1
level 68
Jan 29, 2019
Vince has booked himself over the years as a Royal Rumble winner, WWE Champion, and ECW Champion (I may be forgetting something as well). There are guys in the Hall of Fame with far fewer credentials than that. And Shane is not only one half of the current Smackdown tag team champions (and Best in the World according to the World Cup tournament they had), but I'm pretty sure he was European Champion and maybe even Hardcore Champion back in the day as well.
+1
level 68
Jan 28, 2019
Well, Becky won the Rumble as she should have. I'm surprised at her losing clean to Asuka without interference though, as it risks making her look weak if she jumps brands because she can't beat the champion on her own brand. But at least the right person won.
+1
level 43
Jan 28, 2019
Well, I'm glad that Asuka is still champion. Plus i'm glad that Becky Lynch still managed to get over by winning the womens rumble match. At least now she can be positioned to challenge Ronda Rousey for the Raw title. I don't think she looks weak because Asuka defended her title successfully. Becky Lynch still has enough momentum to be able to take that loss and still look strong. But Asuka on the other hand, has had it pretty rough over the past year or so. So for her, this push and this recent win was needed. It definitely does lend credence to Asuka's legitimacy as Smack Down Champion.
+1
level 68
Jan 29, 2019
Well, Asuka did make Becky tap out. On the other hand, wins by submission are becoming more common (I suspect this is the influence of MMA), so maybe we're not supposed to regard a loss by tapout as worse than a loss by pinfall anymore.
+1
level 43
Jan 29, 2019
I guess my stance on this subject is pretty prehistoric. It used to be the ultimate victory to make your opponent submit. It basically showed overwhelming superiority over your opponent. You basically made them say enough already...I can't go on. But i guess with all the other b.s. going on today in wrestling as far as how they promote and book, a submission victory has lost some of it's uniqueness and therefore it's significance much like a high spot.
+1
level 68
Jan 30, 2019
The problem with the old way of thinking is that when you treat submissions like that, you can't have your top stars submit or they look weak. That in turn undermines people with submission finishers because they can't score wins over top babyfaces or monster heels with their finishing move. That's probably why we never saw Chris Benoit win a world title as a heel, and why Daniel Bryan had to have a second finisher besides the LeBell Lock in order to get to the top.
+1
level 68
Jan 30, 2019
Also, the added realism may be a plus for some people. I don't really care about that, but I do recognize that the old way of thinking limited submission moves as a storytelling device.
+1
level 43
Jan 30, 2019
Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Sting, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle and Samoa Joe rely (or have relied) on submission moves as finishers.I don't think that if two top stars battle each other and one submits the other, that the loser looks weak (especially if it happened only once). I mean you can't have 10 world champions in one promotion. There can really be only one (two in the case of the WWE).But the WWE (especially the women's division is getting way too submission happy. Submission moves are and should really be a last ditch effort on the part of the wrestler to win. A final proverbial strike below the belt to get the win. A desperation move, yet a great way to display ones in ring technical prowess. Ric Flair was a prime example. He either kept his titles by submitting with the figure four, rare pinfalls and also an equal amount of disqualifications. But he was known for being a submission wrestler or a dirty cheating mofo. Not Ric Flair, the man with a 1000 finishing moves.
+1
level 68
Jan 31, 2019
I do agree that too many people have submission finishing moves. It's not as bad as some moves (superkicks, spears, and suicide dives are much worse in terms of too many people doing them), but it does seem like it's not just the "submission specialists" anymore who do them.
+1
level 43
Jan 30, 2019
Some wrestlers should have a submission finisher if they want while others should use power moves or other moves to render an opponent incapacitated. But like you said, today everyone and their mother are pulling, popping and wrenching some part of an opponents body in an effort to gain a victory. I don't really equate realism with wrestling anymore myself. But if that's what other fans want to do it is their right.
+1
level 68
Jan 31, 2019
It seems to me that different styles of wrestling (power wrestling, brawling, submission specialists, high flyer) aren't as distinct as they used to be. Rather than having wrestlers fall into specific categories, it seems like everybody does a bit of everything anymore. Although there are some people like Kofi Kingston and Finn Balor that I only ever see do strikes and aerial moves. I think I'd about die of shock if Kofi actually suplexed someone.
+1
level 43
Feb 2, 2019
Well if Finn Balor in storyline seemed to injure and temporarily stymie Brock Lesnar, then Kofi Kingston can Body Slam, Suplex and figure four leg lock his opponents during a match. Lol
+1
level 68
Feb 3, 2019
It's always possible, but I would be astonished.
+1
level 43
Feb 3, 2019
Is anything that the WWE does, really surprising to you anymore? That is anything short of Brock Lesnar leaving for good and Vince either selling the WWE or completely handing over the reigns of the organization to somebody else ?
+1
level 68
Feb 4, 2019
Yes and no. They can catch me off guard here and there, like when they turned Daniel Bryan heel and had him win the title, or when Taker squashed John Cena last year at Wrestlemania, but for the most part I find their product sadly predictable, and am inevitably disappointed whenever I get my hopes up that they'll finally break away from what I know deep down they're going to do.
+2
level 43
Feb 5, 2019
I guess the best approach with the WWE is to always hope for the best and always expect the worst.
+1
level 68
Feb 5, 2019
Yeah, I'd say that's about right.
+1
level 43
Feb 8, 2019
Well the worst is beginning to happen, yet i still maintain the hope for things to get better. Asuka since her title win has been modestly pushed (if that). The WWE has even really not advertised / promoted her title run and big recent win.She hasn't made very many appearances including after her recent submission win over Becky Lynch. Seems almost like the WWE with great haste yet reluctance booked Asuka to be champion. Meanwhile they maintain a steadfast resolve to ultimately put over Becky Lynch (above all other women's division stars including Asuka and Charlotte) no matter what. I'm beginning to think that Ronda Rousey may very well lose to Lynch at Wrestlemania. Plus the WWE feels like they may have other plans for another SmackDown women's champion come Wrestlemania. If the WWE feels that Asuka is not working out as their S.D. women's champion it is completely their fault for ignoring and casting her aside.
+1
level 68
Feb 9, 2019
Becky is the hottest thing in WWE right now (and I'm not talking about her looks). They'd be foolish not to have her go over at Wrestlemania. Though it looks like they're planning to inject Charlotte into her match as a third wheel, which I think is foolish and unnecessary. I don't know what they're thinking with regard to Asuka, but I hope she is given a good match and retains the title on the big stage.
+1
level 43
Feb 11, 2019
I agree that all the buzz and her momentum does make Becky Lynch red hot. As far as superficially looks wise, I have to admit (although I wasn't a big fan) she does look pretty good as of late (sans the black eye and bruises of course). I guess the WWE is investing in some good make up artistry for their new sensation when she appears in front of the camera and the public. Sure she should go over. But my point is that Asuka as the new Champion of Smack Down is just not getting her day in the sun. They can push Asuka on Smack Down and Push Becky Lynch on Raw. There's room for two "over" champions. Certainly Becky Lynch fought and clawed her way up the ranks and deserves her fame. But then again so does Asuka. Charlotte needs to sit her lanky butt down and relax for a while.
+1
level 68
Feb 12, 2019
Yes, and that's exactly what they SHOULD be doing. But unfortunately they appear to be going with the Triple Threat match on Raw, and paying no attention to Asuka whatsoever. It seems they're turning Charlotte into a new version of early 2000's Triple H, who gets handed opportunities just for being who she is, with the company not even trying to hide that she's the favorite chosen one. Meanwhile, Asuka is looking like she will be that champion who holds the title for awhile but never main events (similar to CM Punk in 2012).
+1
level 43
Feb 12, 2019
Yes you're absolutely correct. That's an excellent analogy for Asuka. She is the female CM Punk. Sort of. Only difference being is that she's not quite as popular as Punk was and still is. But with the right push she could at least come close i think.
+1
level 68
Feb 12, 2019
That, and as far as I know she hasn't expressed anger with WWE and the way they've used her. Then again, I don't know how often she gives interviews, particularly in English.
+1
level 43
Mar 2, 2019
So what the hell is going on now in the women's division? So Becky Lynch apparently attacked Stephanie and HHH and got her Wrestlemania title shot taken away by Vinny Mac himself. So she starts talking crap about Rousey on twitter. So much so that Rousey gets so enraged eventually that she demands the WWE Powers to reinstate the match with Lynch and when they refuse she ceremoniously relinquishes the Raw women's strap? Lol Lofl Lmao Talk about a b.s. storyline. So before Rousey abdicated her throne Charlotte (of course) was given the shot instead by Vince. Lol.So after Rousey just handed the belt to Stephanie and HHH on Raw, Charlotte then announced on SD Live that she will be going to this upcoming Raw to collect the Raw belt. Once again LMAO. What a load of b.s. ! Lol The WWE and their creative team are a glorious cluster eff. Plus they can't resist involving Charlotte in every damn major happening. Well at least Asuka is still SD champion.
+1
level 68
Mar 4, 2019
I'm pretty sure this whole thing is leading toward a triple threat match at Wrestlemania, and this is just a convoluted and kinda stupid path to get there. The idea was that Becky was hiding an injury and refusing medical attention because she was worried the bosses would refuse to clear her and take away her title opportunity, so when they forced the issue Becky attacked them. They forced her to issue an apology or lose the title shot entirely, so she apologized, and then Vince came in and said she lost it anyway and would be replaced by Charlotte (who is now full heel, as she probably should be). I'm guessing this whole nonsense with Ronda relinquishing the title is going to lead to them reinstating Becky to make it a triple threat match, although from the sound of it Charlotte might somehow go into Wrestlemania as champion, which would be incredibly stupid. Lots of people predicted that there would be a triple threat but I really didn't want one. Oh well, as long as Becky wins.
+1
level 43
Mar 4, 2019
Yep that's pretty much what i think. As long as they finally put that Raw title on Becky Lynch and keep Asuka champion for a bit longer. I'll have no beef with that. By the way, during the same event that Samoa Joe jobbed at, Asuka defended her title against and defeated Charlotte. Apparently it was a pretty big house show like event. So they are making somewhat of an effort to make Asuka look good as champion. That's at least a positive for now.
+1
level 68
Mar 5, 2019
And Raw all but confirmed this theory. Apparently Ronda has un-relinquished the title (which is dumb but whatever), and it's now Becky vs. Charlotte at Fastlane to decide whether Becky gets added back to the Wrestlemania match. Oh, and a heel promo from Ronda getting angry at the crowd for supporting Becky over her, despite her pushing so hard to get the triple threat match. Seems like this story is a needlessly convoluted mess, but it's at least leading to the expected match. Now all we need is for WWE to recognize the right person to win it.
+1
level 68
Mar 5, 2019
I'm glad Asuka is looking good at house shows, but until it starts happening on TV, I would argue that it doesn't really count. At this rate I'm worried about whether she'll have a match on Wrestlemania at all - they better not relegate her to the pre-show.
+1
level 43
Mar 5, 2019
The way the WWE is handling the story line with Lynch and Rousey is pretty stupid. Un-necessarily complicated. The WWE creative team has not been and still are not masters of weaving a compelling, believable and thoroughly entertaining tale for their stars. Plus they need to get over Charlotte Flair already.
+1
level 43
Mar 5, 2019
I think Asuka was announced as defending the SD title at Wrestlemania. I don't remember who the opponent is some new blonde haired women i haven't heard much about. Not sure if the match is a pre-show or not though.
+1
level 68
Mar 6, 2019
It wasn't Lacey Evans, was it? I've heard WWE sees money in her for whatever reason, even though they're not doing much with her at the moment.
+1
level 43
Mar 7, 2019
Yes it was Lacey Evans. Though when I reexamined the online content regarding this supposed match up, all I could find later were articles that simply proclaim Lacey Evans as a possible opponent for Asuka. Meanwhile, hand to heart I swear that I remember seeing more than one headline proclaiming that this match up is set, a done deal...Asuka Vs. Lacey Evans at Wrestlemania.
+1
level 43
Mar 7, 2019
I wish that the WWE would already bring up from NXT and unleash upon the Raw and SmackDown rosters the recent Indy acquisition stars who participated in the recent All In event, such as Chelsea Green and that women who is a med school student in real life (her name escapes me at the moment). Those two (if properly booked) can offer some great competition for either rosters. Of course if they really wanted somebody who can butt heads with Ronda Rousey, Becky Lynch or Charlotte they would go after Tessa Blanchard. Though she is still Impact Women's Champion I think. WWE could easily weed out three of their current roster members to make room for these women.
+1
level 68
Mar 8, 2019
I think the deal with Lacey Evans is that they keep stopping and starting a push because they're not sure what to do with her. It's starting to remind me of the whole "Emmalina" thing where they just kept waiting and waiting to pull the trigger and then ended up scrapping the whole thing. I guess nothing is a done deal until you see it on your screen.
+1
level 43
Mar 13, 2019
So Asuka just successfully defended again her title at fast lane, beating Mandy Rose. Now at Mania, the Ravishing Russian is pegged to face her. Also I saw that Jim Ross is of the same opinion as we are that the WWE is mismanaging The Empress of Tomorrow.
+1
level 68
Mar 13, 2019
It's not a difficult conclusion to reach. I firmly believe that WWE can make separate titles on each brand work, but only if they book them as equally important. Unfortunately, they have not been doing that. Asuka feels like an afterthought because she doesn't appear every week and she hasn't been feuding with any of the top stars in the division lately.
+1
level 43
Mar 13, 2019
Also you were spot on with your suspicion that the WWE wanted a three way match at Mania for the Raw Women's strap. Becky Lynch gets added into that cluster effed mix. So it's Official!!! Ronda Rousey vs Charlotte Flair vs Becky Lynch for the Raw Women's Title.
+1
level 68
Mar 13, 2019
Hopefully the match will be good enough to make up for how big of a mess the story leading up to it has become.
+1
level 68
Mar 27, 2019
Charlotte randomly got a shot at the Smackdown women's championship last night and won it. So now Asuka has nothing, and will probably get relegated to a spot in the pre-show battle royal while the triple threat match has both titles. Are they going to unify the belts? Will Charlotte's belt just not be on the line and serve no purpose in the match whatsoever? Or will WWE surprise us all by doing something smart and pull Charlotte out of the triple threat to have a rematch with Asuka? (There's no way in hell that last one will happen).
+1
level 43
Mar 29, 2019
So i guess it turns out that Asuka was just an interim champion. Makes sense given how ole Vince put forth no real effort to promote and hype Asuka's title reign and matches.
+1
level 68
Mar 31, 2019
Yep, looks that way. I don't know what they think they accomplish with these forgettable title reigns where the champion is barely even on TV. All it does is cheapen the title and make it clear to fans that Vince doesn't care enough about this champion to invest effort into a good story for them, which in turn leads to fans starting not to care about them either.
+1
level 68
Mar 27, 2019
And now Charlotte is an 8-time champion in less than 4 years on the main roster: 4 times with the Raw title, 3 with the Smackdown title, and once with the Divas title before they retired that. And that's not counting her NXT career. At this rate, if she wrestles another 10 years she will be something like a 30-time champion. This is approaching "Jerry Lawler in Memphis" levels of ridiculous.
+1
level 43
Mar 29, 2019
It pays be to be a Fleihr, (excuse me for breaking kayfabe).....ahem ahem a FLAIR!!!!! WUHHHH FRIGGIN' HOOOO!!!!! Jerry Lawler's Continental Wrestling push (about 15 plus years) was a Roman Reigns "road to the championship" push on steroids. Only he kept coming within an inch of winning the NWA world title every time and finally when Verne Gagne's AWA cross promoted with the CWA did Lawler finally win his one and only World title. Charlotte's push is the same as daddy's was. Only difference is Slick Ric was also so good with his promos and had extremely talented match performances that he made me want to see the baby face kick his ass time after time. Whereas Charlotte I can't stand seeing or hearing about anymore. I literally would take Eva Marie as champion right now over Charlotte Flair.
+1
level 68
Mar 31, 2019
I was referring to Lawler's 58 reigns as AWA Southern Heavyweight Champion and 52 reigns as Memphis Wrestling Southern Heavyweight Champion. Anyway, I do think Charlotte is talented, but the era where one person can be champion all the damn time with fans actually enjoying it ended nearly 30 years ago. WWE needs to get with the times and realize that pushing one person this much is not healthy for the division.
+1
level 68
Apr 8, 2019
Glad to be able to update this quiz. I wonder whether they're going to unify the women's championship belts or have Becky lose one soon-ish.
+1
level 43
Apr 9, 2019
It is exciting that the list gets to be updated. As far as rumors they point to having one womens champion defending against both rosters. The way it was meant to be. Sooooo...if this rumor turns out to be true, when is the men's division following suit again ?
+1
level 68
Apr 9, 2019
Well, they swerved us on Raw last night - Kofi and Rollins had a winner take all match that was gonna unify the titles, and then The Bar came out and made it a no contest. Now it's anyone's guess whether they will actually end the brand split again or just have Becky pull double duty for awhile. Personally, I have mixed feelings on the idea of unifying the belts and ending the brand split. On one hand, the women's division would benefit from it because the roster is too thin for two singles titles and a tag division. Also, the Universal Title has been a massive failure, so I wouldn't blame WWE for just getting rid of it. On the other hand, having a brand split allows for more opportunities for people to shine and creates more top spots for stars. Also, it's a REALLY bad look to end one brand split, then do another just a few years later, then end it again just a couple years after that. They need to decide once & for all whether they want one brand or two and stick with their decision.
+1
level 43
May 10, 2019
Well Vince Mcmahon needs to decide one way or another. Are they unifying the company rosters again or not ?. If they do decide to go ahead with it, then stay that way for good. Unless of course down the road the fans start making a stink about wanting another split. Otherwise stay the course. The same if he decides that the roster split should continue, unless the fans object down the road. I heard that recently Sammy Zhayn returned to the WWE, was drafted on to the Smack Down roster and he got a shot at the WWE World Championship against Kofi Kingston. Apparently he came pretty close to winning. I wonder if they plan to reignite the feud between Zahyn and Kevin Owens as well eventually ?
+1
level 68
May 27, 2019
Seems they instituted some sort of rule where X number of people can show up on the other brand... and then immediately started going over that number. The whole thing looks to me like they have no plan and no idea what they're doing. From what I heard Sami Zayn is basically a glorified jobber again like he was before.
+1
level 43
May 20, 2019
Interesting developements!. A new smackdown womens champion to add to the list.....Bayley. Congratulations to her. I'm glad she won. Of all the people for Bayley to have won it from...Charlotte. I can't believe Charlotte once again was a champion. Vince Mcmahon just simply can not resist putting a strap on Charlotte can he? Curious to see how Bayley does with her second reign as a womens champions. Also is Asuka still in the WWE? Or did she already jump ship to NJPW or AEW ?
+1
level 68
May 27, 2019
Sasha and Bayley were said to have been furious about losing their tag titles at Wrestlemania to the Iiconics, which was apparently a last-minute change (Sasha and Bayley were told that they would have a long reign). I'm guessing this title change was to placate Bayley and cut their losses, whereas Sasha reportedly asked for her release and was instead given a couple weeks off to chill out and think about what she wants.
+1
level 43
Jun 8, 2019
Bayley can still be salvaged and be a big star. The fact that she is now on her second Women's title reign is a good thing. This means she can one day be part of the conversation as one of the greats in the sport. Sasha is giving no indications that she plans to chill out and then come back like a good little soldier. I see her jumping ship to AEW as soon as contractually possible. Unless of course, Vince Mcmahon dangles a Women's title reign in front of her. Might be an opportunity for a good storyline feud between Bayley And Sasha. With Sasha lamenting how things have gone down hill for her. Perhaps have a bit of animosity towards the WWE and Bayley. Some hard feelings. A little betrayal and before you know it we have a Women's title main event between Bayley and Sasha. Not sure if anyone is a player for euch a scenario though.
+1
level 68
May 27, 2019
Asuka is still there. She is now in a tag team with Kairi Sane, and being managed by Paige. It seems arbitrary and lazy (let's throw the two Asian girls together because they're Asian), but at least it gives them something to do and gives Paige a role. Besides, some people think Asuka needs a manager who speaks better English than she does, though personally I think she was fine.
+1
level 43
Jun 8, 2019
Asuka is a great performer. She is also attractive sans her over the top ring get up. However i will opine that is she is not fine when it comes to her promos. She really needs someone else to do the talking for her. Unlike Yokozuna (who actually was not even Japanese and spoke english just fine), Asuka needs a spokesperson. I'm not suggesting Jim Cornette. I'm certain there is an on camera female personality who can pick up the promo slack for Asuka as Paul Heyman does for Brock Lesnar. If not female, then give her a male manager. Maybe even Heyman. Have him dance that line between being a Heel Advocate and a Face Advocate. Meanwhile Asuka can focus on putting on a fantastic in ring performance as usual.
+1
level 43
Jun 8, 2019
As for Asukas new alliance with another asian wrestler, i dont know wth WWE creative's mindset is. If i had to guess, Vince Mcmahon is simply trying to keep Asuka productive and earning her paycheck until her contract either runs out or they can renew her and figure out what they want to do with her, whilst keeping her away from AEW.
+1
level 68
Jun 23, 2019
I haven't paid any attention for awhile, but isn't Paige managing Asuka and Kairi at the moment? I thought I remembered her doing that. Anyway, I have no trouble understanding Asuka and I think it's fine for people to speak in accented English, but a lot of people seem to feel as you do that someone else should do the talking for her. Personally I am so fed up with WWE at the moment that it doesn't matter to me what they do with her or anyone else.