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Holy Roman Empire Countries

Name the modern countries, in which the Holy Roman Empire controlled land, at any point in it's existence from 962-1806.
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First submittedSeptember 3, 2012
Last updatedDecember 1, 2018
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Country
Austria
Belgium
Croatia
Czech Republic
France
Germany
Country
Italy
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Poland
Country
San Marino
Slovenia
Switzerland
Vatican City
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level ∞
Nov 30, 2018
No doubt this will be controversial. As Voltaire famously said, the Holy Roman Empire was neither holy, nor Roman, nor an empire. I think that the list of countries is correct, but there may be errors. But please do research before posting. Incorrect or antagonistic posts may be deleted.
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level 59
Dec 2, 2018
since when are posts deleted in Jetpunk? There are lots of discussion about Cyprus Asia/Europe, Palestine/Taiwan/Kosovo/etc,etc... being countries or not... Why would any argument here be different, considering that whatever arises here is history from at least 2 centuries ago
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level 71
Dec 3, 2018
He just means that, as with *any* quiz – be it about politics or the Spice Girls – being nasty, vulgar, insulting, rude, or obnoxious will get your posts deleted. There sometimes needs to be a reminder of that, especially on quizzes that are likely to get people all riled up.
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level 59
Dec 4, 2018
so, of course, some things go without saying (nasty, vulgar, or too insulting and rude), yet it is the first time I see this message. I also doubt this is one of the most controversial quizes in Jetpunk at all
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level 31
Jan 30, 2019
I think Russia should be included as the HRE did extend to Köningsberg around the 13th century as I think it was part of the Teutonic Order. As today Köningsberg is Kaliningrad and thus part of Russia, this country should be included.
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level ∞
Nov 30, 2018
Keep in mind that it was possible for a king to have some lands within the empire and other lands outside of it.
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level 72
Nov 30, 2018
Surprised not to see San Marino here, but I think you correctly omitted it.
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level 84
Nov 30, 2018
Malta?
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level ∞
Nov 30, 2018
After doing some more research I have decided to remove Malta.
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level 64
Nov 30, 2018
Malta was definitively not. San Marino has been "most likely" a part of the duchy of Spoleto and later of the Papal states. In 1177, the Papal states left the HRE and so did the territory of modern San Marino. ("Most likely" because San Marino is not mentioned in any literature on the HRE, I read so far including P.H. Wilson's epos "The Holy Roman Empire". Shouldn't there be at least a note that the imperial army subdued any duchy except tiny San Marino? It is more plausible that San Marino just did not exist as a sovereign state in those times prior to 1177.) Finally, the only real contoverse is about Vatican City (or rather the entire city of Rome) - and that since the beginning of the HRE! Accordingly, Vatican City should be removed from this list or at least marked as controverse in order to educate the quizzers about this ancient controverse. ;-)
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level 60
Dec 1, 2018
"It is more plausible that San Marino just did not exist as a sovereign state ...." That wasn't the question though. Name the MODERN countries....
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level 64
Dec 1, 2018
True. And I stated that the territory of MODERN San Marino has been a part of the HRE and has to be INCLUDED to the list.
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level 73
Dec 1, 2018
I found this in Wikipedia:
The land area of San Marino consisted only of Mount Titano until 1463, at which time the republic entered into an alliance against Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta, duke of Rimini, who was later defeated. As a result, Pope Pius II gave San Marino some castles and the towns of Fiorentino, Montegiardino and Serravalle.

So San Marino should be certainly included.
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level 64
Dec 1, 2018
Thanks for that nice work-around! :-D It would be of course still interesting if ALL San Marino land belonged to the HRE.
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level ∞
Dec 1, 2018
The quiz has been amended to included San Marino because of the evidence posted by Djilas.
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level 72
Nov 30, 2018
I have tried to find a definitive answer whether Königsberg, now Kaliningrad, Russia was ever considered part of the HRE. Anyone have a solid response?
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level 64
Nov 30, 2018
In the northeast, the HRE ended about 50km west of the Bay of Gdansk. Königsberg can be thus definitively ruled out as an answer.
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level 72
Dec 2, 2018
Thanks, I know it and many German speaking lands went through various sovereign entities. Many of these were far flung, ever changing, noncontiguous patches.
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level 75
Dec 1, 2018
I dig it. No problem with the list of countries, but there's a wee typo ("it's" should be "its").
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level 67
Dec 1, 2018
'redsplat' wins the 'Golden Nitpickers Award' for Dec. 18. .....Congratulations:
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level 55
Dec 1, 2018
redsplat was friendly and correct, and this is a site about knowledge. Chill out.
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level 75
Dec 2, 2018
Thanks tee111. Malbaby seems to have a lot of those awards kicking around.

I will say that my new trophy looks great on the mantle beside 'Contractionist of the Year' and 'If It's Broke, Fix It' :)
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level 71
Dec 3, 2018
Malbaby, an ellipsis contains three dots, not five, and you've used it incorrectly. You also ended a sentence with a colon instead of a period, and your 'use' of 'single quotation marks' makes no 'sense'. There. Can I have my 'Golden Nitpickers Award' [sic] now, too?
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level 67
Dec 1, 2018
Am I the only one that forgot the Vatican?
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level 71
Dec 1, 2018
No, I did too.
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level 59
Dec 2, 2018
I only got it because of the alphabetical order
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level 66
Dec 1, 2018
If the Vatican is included the San Marino MUST be too.
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level 58
Dec 1, 2018
According to a map on Wikipedia, parts of Russia (Kaliningrad) and Slovakia were part of the HRE. Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holy_Roman_Empire_at_its_territorial_apex_(per_consensus).svg
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level 73
Dec 1, 2018
What was later East Prussia belonged to the State of the Teutonic Order – its German Wikipedia page says that the question of its sovereignty and it being part of HRE is controversial among historians, so actually it would be fine either way. The maps marking the border of HRE were created much much later. But HRE's English page says that The monastic state of the Teutonic Order (German: Deutschordensstaat) and its later German successor state of Prussia were, however, never part of the Holy Roman Empire."

HRE article includes several maps, some include the Teutonic Order State, others don't. The "title" map goes over the Slovakian border, others don't and stop exactly on the modern Czech-Slovak border. So Slovakia should be excluded, unless you find a detailed map showing that some village in today's Slovakia actually belonged to the Czech crown at some point.
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level 64
Dec 1, 2018
This is the first map I ever saw which shows the Teutonic Order as a part of the HRE. As source is given: "own work", instead of a proper source. IMHO, the map is just not based on an accurate evidence. A suspicion further nurtured by the sloppy inclusion of Slovak terroritories, which - except as mentioned the possibility of single villages - were part of the Kingdom of Hungary and therefore definitively not part of the HRE. Let me add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teutonic_Order_1466.png just as an example of a more trustworthy citation of the source.
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level 80
Dec 1, 2018
Normal (for me) pointless correction: The description of this quiz should say "its existence", not "it's existence".
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level 76
Dec 1, 2018
Indeed. "Its" is possessive, "it's" is a contraction.
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level 72
Dec 2, 2018
'Tis?
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level 78
Dec 2, 2018
Came here to say this. Grammar nerds unite!
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level 59
Dec 2, 2018
Did the HRE posess any lands in the Middle East during the Crussades?
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level 66
Dec 3, 2018
I was suprised not to find Denmark on that list. Completely forgot, that Schleswig came to Prussia only in 1866. Seems that my schooldays are longer ago, than I thought.
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level 64
Dec 3, 2018
More promising would be some "forgotten" islands, but I have not yet found any. Indeed first Denmark then UK possessed Heligoland but this island came back under German rule in 1890 (and again in 1952).
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level 61
Feb 16, 2019
Legoland?
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level 60
Jan 28, 2019
I would say that part (albeit small one) of Slovakia was also part of HRE
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level 46
Jan 28, 2019
Russia was part of the Holy Roman Empire, as they controlled half of Kaliningrad.
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level 46
Jan 28, 2019
Russia was part of the Holy Roman Empire, as they controlled half of Kaliningrad. (forgot to say correction)
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level 22
Jan 28, 2019
Croatia and Austria is included, but Slovakia not?
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level 28
Jan 28, 2019
czech republic was not a country until 1993, how is it on here
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level 53
Jan 28, 2019
Gee, I wish there were something on this page that would answer the question as to why Czechia may or may not belong on this quiz. Oh wait...........
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level 56
Jan 28, 2019
The description under the quiz name clearly states that you have to name the MODERN COUNTRY that once had territory controlled by the HRE.
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level 53
Jan 28, 2019
SHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Let them figure it out for themselves.
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level 60
Jan 29, 2019
Be better (harder) not in alphabetical order
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level 46
Feb 1, 2019
I forgot Germany...
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level 40
Feb 2, 2019
It would be better to say modern countries whose territory was within the HRE. "Controlled by" could very well be argued to include all of the countries of the gigantic Habsburg empire under Holy Roman Emperor Charles V. Indeed the first country I guessed was Mexico to find out if this was the case or not. To put it another way, imagine a quiz that asked for all the countries "controlled by" the United States in it's entire existence, but then the only answer was the United States.