Holy Roman Empire Countries

since when are posts deleted in Jetpunk? There are lots of discussion about Cyprus Asia/Europe, Palestine/Taiwan/Kosovo/etc,etc... being countries or not... Why would any argument here be different, considering that whatever arises here is history from at least 2 centuries ago

so, of course, some things go without saying (nasty, vulgar, or too insulting and rude), yet it is the first time I see this message. I also doubt this is one of the most controversial quizes in Jetpunk at all

I think Russia should be included as the HRE did extend to Köningsberg around the 13th century as I think it was part of the Teutonic Order.

As today Köningsberg is Kaliningrad and thus part of Russia, this country should be included.

Malta?

Malta was definitively not. San Marino has been "most likely" a part of the duchy of Spoleto and later of the Papal states. In 1177, the Papal states left the HRE and so did the territory of modern San Marino. ("Most likely" because San Marino is not mentioned in any literature on the HRE, I read so far including P.H. Wilson's epos "The Holy Roman Empire". Shouldn't there be at least a note that the imperial army subdued any duchy except tiny San Marino? It is more plausible that San Marino just did not exist as a sovereign state in those times prior to 1177.)

Finally, the only real contoverse is about Vatican City (or rather the entire city of Rome) - and that since the beginning of the HRE! Accordingly, Vatican City should be removed from this list or at least marked as controverse in order to educate the quizzers about this ancient controverse. ;-)

True. And I stated that the territory of MODERN San Marino has been a part of the HRE and has to be INCLUDED to the list.

I found this in Wikipedia:

The land area of San Marino consisted only of Mount Titano until 1463, at which time the republic entered into an alliance against Sigismondo Pandolfo Malatesta, duke of Rimini, who was later defeated. As a result, Pope Pius II gave San Marino some castles and the towns of Fiorentino, Montegiardino and Serravalle.

So San Marino should be certainly included.

Thanks for that nice work-around! :-D It would be of course still interesting if ALL San Marino land belonged to the HRE.

In the northeast, the HRE ended about 50km west of the Bay of Gdansk. Königsberg can be thus definitively ruled out as an answer.

I dig it. No problem with the list of countries, but there's a wee typo ("it's" should be "its").

'redsplat' wins the 'Golden Nitpickers Award' for Dec. 18. .....Congratulations:

Thanks tee111. Malbaby seems to have a lot of those awards kicking around.

I will say that my new trophy looks great on the mantle beside 'Contractionist of the Year' and 'If It's Broke, Fix It' :)

Am I the only one that forgot the Vatican?

No, I did too.

I only got it because of the alphabetical order

What was later East Prussia belonged to the State of the Teutonic Order – its German Wikipedia page says that the question of its sovereignty and it being part of HRE is controversial among historians, so actually it would be fine either way. The maps marking the border of HRE were created much much later. But HRE's English page says that The monastic state of the Teutonic Order (German: Deutschordensstaat) and its later German successor state of Prussia were, however, never part of the Holy Roman Empire."

HRE article includes several maps, some include the Teutonic Order State, others don't. The "title" map goes over the Slovakian border, others don't and stop exactly on the modern Czech-Slovak border. So Slovakia should be excluded, unless you find a detailed map showing that some village in today's Slovakia actually belonged to the Czech crown at some point.

This is the first map I ever saw which shows the Teutonic Order as a part of the HRE. As source is given: "own work", instead of a proper source. IMHO, the map is just not based on an accurate evidence. A suspicion further nurtured by the sloppy inclusion of Slovak terroritories, which - except as mentioned the possibility of single villages - were part of the Kingdom of Hungary and therefore definitively not part of the HRE.

Let me add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Teutonic_Order_1466.png just as an example of a more trustworthy citation of the source.

Indeed. "Its" is possessive, "it's" is a contraction.

Came here to say this. Grammar nerds unite!

Did the HRE posess any lands in the Middle East during the Crussades?

I was suprised not to find Denmark on that list. Completely forgot, that Schleswig came to Prussia only in 1866. Seems that my schooldays are longer ago, than I thought.

More promising would be some "forgotten" islands, but I have not yet found any. Indeed first Denmark then UK possessed Heligoland but this island came back under German rule in 1890 (and again in 1952).

Legoland?

Russia was part of the Holy Roman Empire, as they controlled half of Kaliningrad.

Russia was part of the Holy Roman Empire, as they controlled half of Kaliningrad. (forgot to say correction)

czech republic was not a country until 1993, how is it on here

Gee, I wish there were something on this page that would answer the question as to why Czechia may or may not belong on this quiz. Oh wait...........

SHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Let them figure it out for themselves.

Be better (harder) not in alphabetical order

I forgot Germany...

Is Denmark supposed to be on this list?

100% first try :D

Yes, he was. Was Kingdom of Jerusalem part of the HRE though?

'Its' is misspelt in the description.