Best and Worst US Presidents

Based on the clue, guess these US presidents ranked the best and worst in history.
Based on aggregate polling data of conservative, liberal, and centrist presidential historians, 1948-2018
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Top Quartile
1
Preserved the Union
Abraham Lincoln
2
The New Deal
Franklin Roosevelt
3
Father of the country
George Washington
4
Trust buster
Theodore Roosevelt
5
Declaration of Independence author
Thomas Jefferson
6
Saw the end of WW2
Harry Truman
7
President during WW1
Woodrow Wilson
8
Established NASA;
ended Korean War
Dwight Eisenhower
9
Expanded suffrage to non-property owners; won Battle of New Orleans
Andrew Jackson
10
Civil rights and moon landing were on his agenda
John F. Kennedy
11
Rescued U.S. from the Great Recession;
signed Affordable Care Act
Barack Obama
Bottom Quartile
34
Great Depression president
Herbert Hoover
35
Served 16 months before dying in office
Zachary Taylor
36
Reconstruction president dogged by scandal
Ulysses S. Grant
37
Unelected president dubbed "his Accidency"
John Tyler
38
Famous for dying one month in to his term
William Henry Harrison
39
The last Whig president
Millard Fillmore
40
Policies led to violent conflict over the expansion of Slavery in the American West
Franklin Pierce
41
First president to be impeached
Andrew Johnson
42
Teapot Dome scandal
Warren Harding
43
Failed to stop the outbreak of civil war
James Buchanan
44
Set numerous records for lying, scandal, corruption and incompetence.
Donald Trump
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Level 83
May 30, 2018
This is not based on my personal opinion. If it were, I'd probably rank Truman, Wilson, Jackson and Kennedy all lower. I'd rank Obama, Polk, and Clinton higher. I'd probably put Hoover lower, Grant higher, I might try to find room for Reagan and Bush Jr. in the bottom quartile (Bush Jr. only narrowly avoids inclusion, presently ranked 32nd just above Nixon), and if possible I'd figure out a way to rank Trump lower than 44th. He so richly deserves his placement here but I feel simply being last is inadequate.
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Level 29
Nov 13, 2020
Sir, though I disagree with you, I distinctly believe that both you and I are capable of civil discussion and comparison of ideas on the topic without engaging in any exchange of vitriol. By way of context, I am a conservative and a Trump supporter, but I am quite sure that I am not a Nazi, a racist, or even all that stupid (as you asserted in a comment below). Nevertheless I contend that President Trump is actually a very good president.

I appreciate that you cite both Democratic and Republican sources. It is an admirable attempt to keep your quiz unbiased. But I am afraid that you still may have fallen victim to some bias. For example, I can't help but notice that the "good" presidents have a blue header--the Democrat color--while the "bad" presidents have a red header--the Republican color. This is particularly surprising considering that, of the top five presidents, only one was a Democrat, and two were Republicans (although Theodore Roosevelt later formed his own party,

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
I honestly was not making that connection at all. I used the same color for top and bottom quartile as the source. Green was the 2nd quartile but Ralph Nader wasn't in there. Yellow was used for the 3rd quartile. I think in American culture it's just generally known that red signifies something bad when you're looking at a graph or chart or infographic. Like if you look at numbers on an Excel spreadsheet when you are doing a budget, if you are in the red that means you're losing money. Is that your best evidence for bias on this quiz?
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Level 83
Apr 9, 2021
Yako I feel you're oversimplifying a bit but I understand where you're coming from. I also personally don't feel Trump's level of racism is in the top ten list of reasons why he was a horrible president. And, while I do believe he is very demonstrably a racist, I don't think that was even a factor in virtually any of his decision making as president. And I'm not a Trump supporter. So I understand other people discounting it completely who support him. They might not believe Trump is racist (perhaps due to ignorance), or they may have different priorities.
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Level 55
Aug 25, 2021
I feel that all presidents Carter and after are judged more by their policies and ideologies than their actual accomplishments(which is where bias comes in). Only time will tell whether Trump will be unanimously considered the worst president in American history(please be this one), or whether similar to Reagan, he will be remembered as the poster boy for conservative ideology.
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Level 83
Aug 25, 2021
Reagan was extremely popular during his administration. Nobody who claims Trump was a great president is taken seriously by historians. There's a big contrast.
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Level 29
Nov 13, 2020
he was a Republican while President). Furthermore, your captions, especially about President Trump, could certainly be understood as biased.

Speaking of our current President, I contend that he is actually one of the better Presidents that this nation has had. He has done much to secure our borders and presided over a very successful economy (obviously, until the Covid pandemic, but we can hardly call the economic damage his fault). Most importantly, he defended religious freedom with executive orders and took strong Pro-Life positions.

Which brings me to a comparison with Obama, as you have mentioned him in your comments. This former President, though I'm sure he has made worthy accomplishment, he also supported abortion, which, as I think you may agree after doing some unbiased research on the subject, is the killing of unborn children. As a matter of fact, to a Pro-Lifer, Obama was guilty of supporting as many national murders as Hitler--no great accomplishment!

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
... you're simply wrong. Trump has been horrible as president. He slowed down the Obama economy which he inherited with his pointless and costly trade wars. And, yes, the catastrophic coronavirus response was 100% his fault. Most people do not consider abortion to be murder, but you could actually build a strong legal case for charging Trump with negligent homicide for the hundreds of thousands of Americans who have died as a direct result of his mishandling of the pandemic.

The metrics that the Sienna College poll of 2018 used to evaluate presidents included the following: background, imagination, integrity, intelligence, luck, willingness to take risks, ability to compromise, executive ability, leadership ability, communication ability, overall ability, party leadership, relations with Congress, (quality of) court appointments, handling of economy, executive appointments, domestic accomplishments, foreign policy accomplishments, avoiding crucial mistakes, and experts' view

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
A presidents' stance on a single political issue like abortion was not considered as part of the evaluation... and... your position that it should, I hope you would understand, is extremely biased. The majority of people in the world and the country disagree with you on this point, but you're using a presidents' agreement or disagreement with your minority point of view as a basis for evaluating if they are a good president or not?

Anyway, out of all of those metrics, when evaluated by historians of every political persuasion, Trump was ranked 40th-44th in every single one of them except for three. Which three?

Well, in terms of handling the economy he was ranked 39th. Still firmly in the bottom quartile of all presidents, but at least he was higher than Herbert Hoover. Still, his misuse of tariffs which it is clear he doesn't even understand how they work has done tremendous damage to the economy and he's done very little to improve it.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
As far as a willingness to take risks, Trump was ranked 25th. So around the middle of the pack. He definitely can be bold in the actions he takes, that's true. But while you might chalk that up to strength, determination, or a bold vision... I would attribute it more to stupidity, ignorance, stubbornness, vanity, and a complete disinterest in listening to the experts around him or even reading his security briefings. So yeah, some of the things he has done have been rather bold, as a British person would say.

And, the one category where he got ranked the highest? Luck. He was ranked the 10th luckiest president in history. And I can't really argue with that. He inherited arguably the strongest economy and the longest period of uninterrupted jobs growth in US history from his predecessor, and then he had no major domestic or international crises to deal with during his first 3 years in office, in spite of his mighty efforts to create one.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
When such a crisis finally did come along - the COVID-19 global pandemic - his mishandling of it was of truly epic and legendary proportions. I mean it could not have possibly been any worse. He politicized the wearing of masks. He politicized belief in the virus. He sidelined the nation's top contagious disease experts in favor of unqualified yes-men who wanted us to try herd immunity. He diverted valuable resources away from places that needed them based on political grudges. He actively encouraged people to ignore his own White House's recommendations for how to deal with the virus. And he continued on a course to try and destroy the ACA while he had zero plans for anything to replace it. Any idiot could have just stepped aside, let Dr. Fauci give good advice, told the American people to listen to the experts and take appropriate precautions... and he would have saved 150,000 lives and coasted to reelection victory easily. But Trump is sub-idiot. He's on a whole other level.
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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
In terms of executive appointments, intelligence, integrity, and overall ability, Trump was ranked 44th. Dead last. And this is an average of rankings by historians that INCLUDE those that self-identify as conservative or Republican. And I have to say, I agree 100% and think that this could not be any more evident.

In terms of executive appointments, they have been a disaster and a joke from day 1. The man appointed as Secretary of State, the chief diplomat of our nation, a former Exxon CEO. He replaced the sitting secretary of energy, a nuclear physicist, with Rick f'ing Perry who didn't even know what the department was for. He made Betsy DeVos, a woman with zero background in education and a massive conflict of interest as she runs a company that collects on student loans, the secretary of education, obviously because she was a big campaign donor. He made Scott Pruit head of the EPA - what was his qualification? Well he had sued the EPA a record number of times in Oklahoma.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
I could go on. And on and on and on. Trump ran on "draining the swamp" but he ushered in the swampiest swamp in the history of swamps. His entire cabinet and administration was full of political hacks, lobbyists, cronies and campaign donors who were massively and openly corrupt. And I haven't even mentioned the ridiculous amount of nepotism in his administration, or the fact that hundreds of vital government positions remained vacant for years because he was so totally inept and underprepared and didn't even have a real transition team after he fired Chris Christie. Trumpists like to give Trump credit for a deal that was brokered between North and South Korea - we didn't even have an ambassador to South Korea until 2018! This level of complete ineptitude is unparalleled in all of US history.

I'm tired of talking about this so, in brief:

integrity: yep. Trump has zero integrity. He cares about literally nothing other than himself and is openly corrupt and criminal.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
intelligence: hands down. Dumbest president in the history of the United States. He speaks with a 4th-grade vocabulary, as determined by an unbiased analysis of his speeches developed for the US military. People who are classified as mentally retarded often learn to communicate at up to a 6th-grade level.

overall ability: yes. Goes without saying. It would actually be better if we had a vacant presidency. He actively harms the country with everything he does even in the rare instances where he is trying to do something good (even though he only cares about himself, he does on occasion try to do something that will benefit others - if only to help himself politically - but he inevitably fails)

So yeah, anyway. He's objectively a horrible president, and very likely the worst the country has ever seen. His executive orders are crap, they have no legal weight behind them just red meat thrown to his supporters. And minority discrimination is not = to religious freedom.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Finally, I would say that even as a conservative or a Christian Trump has utterly failed. So... even from a pro-Republican, pro-Conservative, pro-Christian biased perspective, abandoning objectivity and viewing trump through this lens, he has been a horrible president.

What conservative values has he embraced? Conservatives used to be all about fiscal responsibility. But Trump has EXPLODED the national deficit and debt. Under Obama the deficit shrank every year. Trump blew it up. And he managed to do this when the economy was BOOMING. Something that no president has EVER done before. We've increased the deficit in debt during depressions, recessions, and global wars... but never during an economic boom in peacetime. Yet Trump did it.

Conservatives also used to be very much against tariffs and for free trade. And I agreed with them. Tariffs and protectionism are bad for the economy and bad for capitalism. Trump has been the most tariff-happy president in US history.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Conservatives used to be for preserving and protecting the environment (though, admittedly, they turned on this principle before Trump as their corporate donors influenced them more and more). Richard Nixon started the EPA, after all. But Trump appointed to head the EPA a guy who only wants to destroy it. And he took us out of the Paris climate accords for no reason other than because Obama did it. Out of spite. He doesn't even understand what climate change is. He's too stupid and ignorant. He thinks it's about clean air and water... that has nothing to do with it. The guy is on record saying that the sound from windmills causes cancer. Because he is still pissed off about a windmill farm being built off the coast of one of his failing golf courses years ago. Ugh.

Trump is pro-torture. Pro-destroying-families (as long as they're immigrant families). Pro-Russia. Pro-North Korea. Pro-dictator. He's an aspiring fascist. He is not a Conservative.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
and from the Christian angle... the man has obviously never opened the Bible in his entire life. He thinks that Christians are idiots and mocks them in private all the time. He lies about his own faith to manipulate them into voting for him. He brags about serial sexual assault. He has multiple credible accusations of rape against him. He committed multiple felonies to try and silence the porn stars he banged when he was cheating on his pregnant wife. He's twice divorced. Good friends with child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein, and sent well wishes to his accomplice Ghislane Maxwell. He gassed peaceful protestors for a cynical photo op of him holding a Bible upside down next to a church. He signed off on the remote murder of an Iranian politician on foreign soil. He is a narcissist. Spiteful. Vindictive. Gluttonous. Slothful. Foul-mouthed. Wrathful. Unforgiving... he said at the national prayer breakfast one year that Jesus was wrong about the whole forgiveness thing.
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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
and, even though many Christians are pro-Choice so I'm not sure that this qualifies as anti-Christian, but Trump was also pro-Choice his entire life up until he decided it would be easier to run for office as a Republican than a Democrat. He does not care about abortion or unborn children. Give me a break. He doesn't even care about his own living children. He willfully implemented an unimaginably cruel policy of family separation at the border, tearing infant children away from their parents, causing irreparable harm to these children and their families. He signed off on this. Does that sound Christian to you? THIS is your guy? Really? Really???

My most devout and god fearing friends recognize Trump for the total fraud, hypocrite, and moral monster that he is. And I'm glad for that. I used to be devoutly Christian myself, and even though I'm not anymore, I'd like to think that if I still were I would not be so blinded by politics that I couldn't recognize Trump ...

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
... for the monster that he is, on Christian principles. Back in high school when I was still practicing and devout I did have a lot more Republican sympathies... and a lot of that had to do with the abortion issue... but I was always politically unaffiliated and tried to keep an open mind and if I saw any politician being a hypocrite, Democrat or Republican, like Newt Gingrich, or Bill Clinton, I would call them out for it. But Trump is the most a-moral un-Christian person to occupy the White House in US history. He can't understand devotion because the only thing he is devoted to is himself. In my opinion, any good Christian would never, ever, ever vote for or support this man. Nor would any true Conservative. Or any true Republican. Or any true American for that matter, as he has repeatedly sold out the country to foreign enemies for his own purposes and financial gain. The man is terrible in every way imaginable.
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Level 83
Dec 17, 2020
He was more than willing to throw Ivanna and Marla under the bus when it suited him.
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Level 51
Jan 19, 2021
Couldn't agree more @Kal
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
@Nanook: I was bored and finally got around to reading the rest of your completely unhinged comment. It was as insane, poorly written, and divorced from reality as any comment I would expect from someone who comes out of the gate with an announcement that the ex-president was good at his job.

To address the rest of what you said: Trump did not have ups and downs. He just didn't. This is false. He never had an up in his entire administration. His approval rating *never* went above 50% (rolling aggregate through 4 years). Not once. There is not a single US president in history since we started tacking approval who achieved this feat. And most presidents who faced some serious crisis like the COVID pandemic were able to get a huge bump from this, rallying the country around unified support for a coherent strategy to save American lives or beat back a common foe. George W Bush, for instance, not generally regarded as a good president, had 90% approval after 9/11.

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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
George HW Bush topped out at 89% after winning the Gulf War. Kennedy rose to 83% after making gains toward nuclear disarmament during the the Cold War. Truman earned 87% approval after the dissolution of Nazi Germany. And each of these presidents had lows, too. Truman's approval rating bottomed out at 22%. Bush Sr.'s at 29. Bush Jr.'s at 25. Kennedy's at 56. These presidents had highs and lows. Trump never had a high. His entire administration was a disaster from start to finish and he will go down as the worst president in US history without question or controversy.

Re: Obama's "care"... I don't even know what you are trying to say. Are you saying that The Affordable Care Act is paid for by taxpayers? Uh... well yeah. sort of. Duh. Though the program also collects large amounts of insurance premiums that enrollees pay, so, it's not all taxpayer funded. Not like, say, the much more successful and popular programs Medicaid and Medicare.

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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
Are you suggesting that the United States, the richest most powerful nation on Earth, can't afford to provide healthcare for its citizens? Something that countries like Burkina Faso, Rwanda, Ghana, Colombia, Bhutan, India, China, Thailand, Greece, Israel, Japan, Romania, Russia, Turkey, and the former Soviet Union, among many others, all manage to do? That's just sad and pathetic. But that aside, Obama didn't write the ACA. It was written by members of Congress and lobbyists for the phrama and healthcare industries, basically an updated version of Republican Bob Dole's healthcare plan from the 90s, and was more or less a big wet sloppy kiss to American insurance companies. It's far from a perfect piece of legislation, but it's better than what we had (basically nothing), and resulted in tens of millions of people getting healthcare coverage that they didn't have before. Once signed into law, Republicans sued over and over to repeal the act, but they failed.
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
ex-president Trump vowed to repeal and replace the ACA, and he promised that he had something big and great and wonderful that was going to come to replace it... but that legislation was famously always "two weeks away" and never actually materialized because it didn't exist. Trump failed to keep his promise to repeal the ACA, even though his party had full control over the presidency, the Supreme Court, and both chambers of Congress for years, because in truth they didn't really want to get rid of it they just used this as a way to rile up their base and to get the low-information simpletons who vote for them angry with lies about how expensive or socialist it was. But they were fibbing the whole time and they knew it. They had no plan to replace the ACA. They haven't had any good legislative ideas since the 1970s. And so Republicans did nothing to get rid of the ACA once they were in power. They lied to you. What did they do?
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
Well they continued to underfund it and undermine it, make it more expensive and cover less, all for the advantage of their friends in the insurance industry who liked the provision that Americans had to buy insurance, but disliked other parts of the bill like the fact that they had to cover people in spite of pre-existing conditions, and that they couldn't drop people for getting sick, and the parts that attempted to keep prices of insurance reasonable. So the GOP kept suing to get rid of these parts, and in some states even suing to get rid of the ACA completely even though they had literally no idea for how to replace it. Remember Trump bragging in 2016 about how it would be so easy? How he would make sure that everyone had insurance and healthcare coverage and how it would be cheaper and better and more extensive than Obamacare? All BS and hot air. Like everything he ever promises or says.
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
About Obama "littarly" (my spellcheck just took a handful of painkillers) snatching money out of people (where in these people do they keep their money? Are you a Russian troll? Your English is awful), and slipping it into people (like piggy banks?) who do not do a thing... where to begin... Obama isn't doing anything, he's retired. The ACA was passed by Congress. It is a legal and Constitutional collection of tax revenue that is largely self-funding through enrollee premiums, as determined by the GOP-controlled Supreme Court. Nobody is having money stolen from them. That's not how taxes and government expenditures work. Do you get this worked up about the government stealing money from people to pay for things like public schools, highways, national defense, or air traffic control? If so maybe you should move to southern Somalia. It's a libertarian paradise there. No taxes. No government. You'd be right at home. The rest of us would like a functioning government thanks.
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
by "people who are following the law's hands" (again, what the heck is your first language?? It so obviously is not English. How much are you getting paid for this rant?), I guess you mean the plutocrats and oligarchs and robber barons who often pay little or no tax, like Trump, who cheat and steal and evade and con their way into obscene levels of personal wealth, rarely giving anything back to the country that made possible their ludicrous lifestyle, whom most Democrats especially ones like Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren would advocate taxing at higher more equitable rates in order to pay for things that would benefit everyone, such as universal healthcare, free college tuition, infrastructure and medical research and stuff like that? Those are the people that you want to stick up for? You know that they don't give two rat turds about you, right? They spend money, tons of it, to convince you to go to bat for them. But they don't care if you get sick and die.
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
By "people who do not do a thing and 'our' just collecting money"... are you talking about poor people? The unemployed? The disabled? Hard working immigrants who came to the country to make a better life for themselves, work 3 jobs, and pay more taxes than Trump ever has in his life?

Well... fret not. Most of those people wouldn't qualify for coverage under the ACA. Many of them would qualify for other programs such as Medicaid and Medicare Disability. But... Obama had nothing to do with those programs they existed long before he came into office and even though many Republicans privately would like to get rid of them or cut funding, most won't admit to this publicly as they are enormously popular and successful. The ACA is more aimed at people who work hard but don't have the sort of good privileged jobs that provide health insurance, but they make too much money to qualify for Medicaid, and so they end up in this awful limbo area inbetween where...

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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
... they can't afford private insurance as it is so ridiculously expensive in this country or because they had a pre-existing condition or a chronic illness, and they were working too hard and thus too "wealthy" (read: not abjectly poor) to get Medicaid, and not yet old enough to get Medicare, and so they just end up slipping through the cracks ending up uninsured or underinsured, and are often one big injury or illness away from being bankrupt, destitute, homeless, and/or dead, and a drain on society (though not as big of a drain as the fat cat CEOs that you are advocating for). You want to take away these people's insurance? Why? Do you realize that they pay taxes just like anyone else (who isn't as privileged and/or corrupt as Trump)? And at the same time they are spending anywhere from several hundred to several thousand dollars out of pocket to pay for their own healthcare on top of this?
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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
yeah... those are the people that Trump and his allies were attempting to take health insurance away from. People who in many cases had recently lost their jobs or been furloughed. During a once a century global pandemic that Trump did everything in his power to make worse. Really considerate of you and your dear leader. But I guess if the CEO of Aetna gets a 0.1% increase in his multi-million dollar bonus this year, it'll all be worth it.

My bordeom has dissipated. Going to make the rest of this quick. Trump didn't build crap. He stole billions of dollars from more worthwhile projects, illegally, and managed to get 300 km of "barrier" constructed, not a proper wall. and FYI that's about 10% of the length of the border. Not very impressive. Trump did ban people from coming into the country from several countries outright (including legal residents at least at first and in some cases). And this was stupid and heartless and made no sense.

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Level 83
Jan 30, 2021
Though the "Muslim ban" had nothing to do with immigration, Trump was proudly, openly, cruelly anti-immigrant. Which sucked. Immigrants make the country and its economy very much stronger, more robust, and more vibrant. Many studies have proven as much. Many GOP officials in border states would say the same. And large-scale deportations have destroyed many communities in those places, both for the immigrant families ripped apart and for the Americans left behind in the communities that suddenly find their economies and industries gutted. Creating a job isn't stealing a job. I don't see you out in any fields picking berries from sun up to sun down. And, guess what? My ancestors were very likely here before yours, if you are even American. Unless you are Inuit and that's why your name is Nanook and you barely speak English. In that case, well, I guess maybe you've got some room to complain about immigration. but Trump still sucks.
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Level 83
Apr 9, 2021
well since Nanook's side of the conversation seems to have gone missing, I'm pretty sure this has become my longest seemingly-talking-to-myself rant on the site... careful about making overtly political comments Yako or you're going to be disappeared, as well, probably.
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Level 83
Apr 24, 2021
Yako disappeared. I warned him...
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Level 55
May 6, 2021
He made some rude Anti-Azerbaijan comments, but he is back now.
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Level 55
May 26, 2021
NVM, he's banned again for harassing another user.
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Level 29
Nov 13, 2020
But to the point of the experts you cite. While universities and professors are rightly considered intelligent and educated, it is also true that most universities and professors rather liberal. And even some self-attested Republicans are liberal, especially in such a setting, at least to the point that their viewpoints are skewed against Trump. Such may be fiscally conservative (Republicans) but socially liberal. Consider Larry Hogan of Maryland, or Charlie Baker of Massachusetts for examples. Researchers with viewpoints like these may be biased against the President.

But I'm sure you have points to the contrary and I would be interested to hear them. I hope you will specifically address the points I have made, as I would be very interested to know your perspectives on them.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Anne Coulter, Shep Smith, George W Bush, George HW Bush, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Michael Steele, Bill Kristol, Joe Scarborough, Lindsey Graham (from 2016), Ted Cruz (from 2016), Chris Christie (from 2016), John Bolton, Anthony Scaramucci, Karl Rove, George Conway, David Frum, Justin Amash, Rick Wilson, Tom Ridge, Colin Powell, Joe Walsh, Chris Wallace, Chuck Hagel, James Comey, Christine Todd Whitman etc etc etc etc...

Are these people all liberals now? They include many lifelong Republicans. Many prominent Conservative voices. Several Republican party leaders including former presidents, former presidential nominees, former RNC chairs, and several who held office as Republicans. Look up what some of them have had to say about Donald Trump.

But you're going to dismiss them and believe Trump? A guy who has lied 20,000 times since taking office. A guy who was a Democrat 12 years ago? You think he represents good conservative values? And everyone else is just biased?

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Examine your own biases, man. Every sane person who knows what they're talking about sees Trump for what he is. You don't have to be liberal. You just have to not be blind.
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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Another prominent conservative who has been outspokenly against Trump is George Will. His articles are worth looking up.

The thing about presidential scholars is that they are not political actors. They're not trying to convince you to vote one way or another. They're not going on to Fox News or MSNBC as pundits (very rarely one or two might, but that's not the norm). Their career does not depend on praising or bashing Trump or any other president. Their careers depend on, and they care about, being as objective as possible and arriving at the basic truth of the matter. Bias is the bane of historians and they do everything possible to try and avoid it. (good ones, anyway. There are exceptions. See: Howard Zinn) Also, as historians, they have the context of being able to understand Trump's actions as better, worse, or basically the same as other presidents throughout history. Most people don't have that.

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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
Anyway if for whatever reason you don't trust the educated or academics or "the elites" as you might describe Republican party leaders or personalities on TV... maybe you'd find it worthwhile to search for "Republican Voters Against Trump" on YouTube. It's a good channel that contains hundreds if not thousands of testimonials from regular everyday voters who either identify as Republican or who voted Republican in past elections, describing why they were against Trump in 2020. Perhaps some of what they say will make sense to you.

I could have made a video like that myself back in 2004, as I had become very much against Bush after he had severely disappointed me, but back in 2000 I was one of the ones saying "give him a chance," and I was kind of happy that Gore didn't win even though I didn't vote in that election and had no strong preference either way. I just didn't like Gore.

Cheers.

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Level 47
Nov 14, 2020
17 massive comments in 1 day...i'm shocked.
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Level 83
Nov 14, 2020
who are you? I was responding to AReim with the comparison of ideas that he requested. Most of my ideas are not so small that they can fit neatly on a bumper sticker.
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Level 33
Oct 30, 2021
I can understand why many people were upset with trump but i do have a question for you right now. if you were to redo this quiz would you put Joe Biden at the bottom because he 100% deserves to be on the bottom list, he has refused to ever answer questions, he has been proven to read scripts, gas prices rising, Afghanistan failure, racist remarks, not knowing where he is, sexual and disturbing videos of President Biden, more covid deaths with 3 vaccines then Trump with no vaccines, BLM and Antifa destroying more and more cities, the southern border crisis, the economy basically collapsed, high inflation and i can go on, please let me know what you think about Joe Biden because his approval rating at a record 35% in some polls and even other polls is at only 44% explain to me your opinion on the disaster presidency of Joe Biden in which I can't even get bacon without dropping $10 oh and also we can not forget the crazy spending and absurd debt that will be almost 40 trillion in 2 years
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Level 83
Oct 30, 2021
1. this quiz is not based on my personal opinion. It's based on aggregate polling data of presidential scholars and historians.

2. The most recent similar poll was conducted in 2021, but did not include Biden, I assume because it is too soon into his presidency.

3. There's no way in hell that in any future polls Biden will ever be ranked below Trump. My guess, if there were such a poll conducted today that included Biden (though most wouldn't, as we're only a year in to his presidency), is that he would be ranked somewhere right around the middle. Somewhere in the Taft - Coolidge - Cleveland range. You would have to be absolutely deranged to think he'd be ranked at the bottom. But, I can see from everything you posted just now, that you absolutely are... so.... yeah.

Not going to bother responding to the rest of this given point #3.

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Level 33
Oct 30, 2021
If you look at the data Trump honestly was not that bad and I am going to use both sources here from claims made by republicans and democrats. For one the price of gas went down from an average in some states during the Obama presidency of almost $5 to only $2.20 during the height of the pandemic during Trumps presidency. Also Obama had not ended the great recession all by himself and while he did help to end it, the economy had remained very stagnant throughout Obamas 8 years in office, also the Muller investigation brought up by the democrats supported by Obama and his party had turned out to be false. Trump also lowered taxes during his term while Obama had raised taxes on the rich while the rich are for a fact not paying their fair share raising taxes on someone because they have more wealth does not seem fair and feels more like taking money away from rich, instead of raising taxes on them removing their loopholes and making them pay the same amount as everyone else would be fair
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Level 83
Oct 30, 2021
You are severely, catastrophically misled. I'm not going to take the time to educate you, but I encourage you to try looking up all of this stuff yourself somewhere other than wherever you usually get your information.

Thanks for taking the quiz and commenting.

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Level 29
May 30, 2018
This stinks of leftist bashing.
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Level 83
May 30, 2018
"Based on aggregate polling data of conservative, liberal, and centrist presidential historians, 1948-2018"
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Level 61
May 30, 2018
Which polling data was used?
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Level 83
May 30, 2018
Arthur Meier Schlesinger, notable historian of Harvard, polled 75 historians for rankings from 1948 and 1962. His son conducted a similar poll in 1992.

The Chicago Tribune conducted a poll in 1982 of 49 historians.

The Siena Research Institute of Siena College has conducted surveys of historians in 1982, 1990, 1994, 2002 and 2010.

Other polls were conducted by the Wall Street Journal, C-SPAN, the American Political Science Association, etc. You can see the whole list here

The APSA did the most recent poll, and the only one to include Trump. They had scholars self-identify as Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Even amongst Republican scholars, Trump was ranked 40th out of 44 presidents. He was dead last amongst Democrats, and by Independents (who skew conservative and libertarian) he was ranked 43rd.

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Level 66
Nov 28, 2018
That link needs to be at the top as your source rather than a description of it.
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Level 83
Nov 28, 2018
don't be so lazy.
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Level 83
May 11, 2019
If something as objective and non-partisan as the data presented here seems biased to you, which is taken from many different polls of hundreds of different presidential historians of all different political persuasions, then probably you are yourself biased.
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Level 72
Jun 3, 2018
Kalbahamut, I love all of your quizzes (and your comments, although they can get a bit ranty at times). Your insightful perspective and content has not only taught me itself but also driven me to seek out information on my own, and question the views of the conservative household I have grown up in. Almost solely because of your influence I have learned enough to place second in my state geography bee. This is yet another of your quizzes which has encouraged me to learn more. For all that you have done for me and the JetPunk community, I would like to thank you. :)
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Level 83
Jun 3, 2018
well, gee... thanks. Sincerely. When I'm not posting just to show appreciation for the quiz author, or to entertain myself or make someone laugh... particularly the posts that get a bit "ranty"... my main aim is usually to encourage people to look things up and learn something. This is the reason that I post things that fly in the face of conventional wisdom; not to try and offend anybody but just to inspire those reading to ask questions and think for themselves. Happy to hear it worked at least once.
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Level 48
Jun 14, 2018
How come Obama is on the top and Trump is on the bottom? It should be the other way around.
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Level 83
Jun 14, 2018
Not according to any honest person who knows what they're talking about. Even amongst self-identified Republican historians, Trump is ranked 40th of 44 presidents. This is not fake news. It's reality.
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Level 83
Nov 28, 2018
Not at all! Some are racists. Some are Nazis. Some are evil plutocrats or Russian despots who view Trump as a useful idiot. And then the rest are some combination of stupid, ignorant, or extremely confused. I think that covers everything.

Though the comment you are replying to doesn't say smart people understand that Trump is the worst president in history, it says that those who know what they're talking about understand that. There's a difference between ignorance and stupidity. As for those who know what they're talking about, I'm speaking to presidential historians in this case, including self-identified conservative and Republican historians who rank Trump in the bottom 4 of all time.

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Level 83
Sep 1, 2019
There are also farmers who voted for him because he promised to repeal the estate tax. Though many of these people don't "like" Trump, they just voted for him. And many of them aren't going to vote for him again in 2020 as he hasn't kept his promise and his misguided and ignorant trade war with China has been disastrous for the farm belt.
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Level 86
Apr 2, 2020
Would you rather have someone who gives out billions to enemies of America or causes wars, or someone for the people. Obama was one of the worst presidents we've ever had, leading to countless American lives lost because of his incompetence and flat out disdain for the common American. I love your quizzes Kalbahamut but Obama should be nowhere near the top. (I understand this quiz isn't your opinion.)
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Level 83
Apr 2, 2020
Someone who gives out billions to enemies of America? You mean like Trump doing everything in his power to remove sanctions against Russia, by far America's #1 enemy in the world, allowing them to keep their annexation of Crimea, allowing, nay inviting, them to meddle in US and other international elections with impunity, freeing up the money of Russian oligarchs which had been frozen in international banks, rolling over and allowing them to gain a foothold in the Middle East free of charge, doing everything he can to help dismantle or render obsolete NATO? The work Trump has done on behalf of Russia is probably worth trillions, not billions, and all of it has been at the expense of common Americans. And that's not to say anything of what he did for North Korea, the Islamists in Turkey, the hard liners in Iran, protectionists in China, or those against human rights in the Philippines.
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Level 83
Apr 2, 2020
Someone who causes wars? You mean like murdering top-ranking international officials at the airport on neutral soil? That sort of thing?

Countless American lives lost due to incompetence and disdain for the common American? Are you watching the news lately? This is actually pretty funny coming in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic.

and yeah it's not my opinion but I do concur with virtually every scholar in the world when they rate Trump as the worst or among the worst of all American presidents, and Obama as significantly better. This is not even a controversial opinion amongst those who study this sort of thing. It's virtually impossible to believe that Trump is anything other than the single worst president in US history unless you live inside the Fox News bubble. Hundreds of nationally prominent Republicans (present or former), conservatives, and independents including multiple former GOP presidents and nominees for presidents would back me up on this.

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Level 83
Jun 18, 2020
I would describe Carson as an idiot in the colloquial sense. He is ignorant about a lot of stuff which leads to him putting his foot in his mouth often. He might be a talented doctor but he is clearly out of his depth when talking politics, geography, history, et cetera. He often says stupid or embarrassing things (even about medicine). He has a lot of very dumb ideas. But he's not literally an idiot. I'm sure he has an above average IQ.

Trump is an idiot in the literal sense. He is most likely mentally retarded.

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Level 83
Jun 23, 2020
Trump's vocabulary is at a 4th grade level. Mentally retarded people can often function at up to a 5th or 6th grade level. Also, he has threatened lawsuits against all of his past schools if they ever revealed his transcripts. Do you think he did that because his grades were good?
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Level 55
Mar 8, 2021
Re: Estate tax. he hasn't done that nor has he done anything else he promised(unless he did it in a tyrannical fashion). He is in the All talk no Substance group and is the worst of that lot.

Actually, technically, he isn't in that group, he is worse, because the substance is always catostrophic.

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Level 83
Jul 17, 2018
I think if they conducted a new poll after Helsinki even Republican historians would have to concede that Trump is the worst president in history.
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Level 83
Feb 24, 2020
and it just gets worse every day since then.
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Level 68
Jul 25, 2020
Just a suggestion for the Trump clue Kal: can you PLEASE add something about the coronavirus? While the clue you have is very much true, I think that Trump's corona response is worse than basically everything he did in his first 3 years combined--which is really saying something. Also, I'm pretty sure that when historians look back on the Trump Presidency, coronavirus will easily stand out as Trump's most significant failure. (Also for the record, I'm pretty sure Bolsonaro is the same level of stupid as Trump, if not more).
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Level 83
Jul 25, 2020
I feel like his handling of the COVID-19 pandemic is already covered under lying and incompetence.
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Level 86
Jul 25, 2020
I guess BusinessFreak was blocked, huh? Now it just looks like you and I are having an argument that doesn’t make any sense. :D
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Level 83
Jul 25, 2020
yeah I was experimenting with the feature. He seemed like a worthy guinea pig. But I didn't know it would delete all of his previous responses.
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Level 83
Jul 27, 2020
but every time I delete one of my responses, all of his comments appear again, so I'm not sure what's going on.
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Level 68
Jul 31, 2020
Kal: That's fair. I just think it deserves special mention because some of the other examples of Trump's corruption and incompetence, while deplorable, didn't directly affect the American public.. whereas Trump's refusal to wear masks, his attempts to silence Fauci, his tweets to "liberate" states that were doing a great job of lockdown, his refusal to support basic economic relief for the unemployed, his attempt to float random medicines as cures with no scientific backing, his desire to defund WHO, etc. have most certainly led to the deaths of tens of thousands and has ruined the foreseeable future for most Americans. (Not to say that he didn't do a lot of things that harmed the public before 2020... but some of the things he did in the past can be undone by the next Democrat who's President. What he's done in 2020 can't.)
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Level 83
Aug 2, 2020
I'm deleting the majority of my replies to BusinessFreak here anyway, assuming that his won't be visible at least most of the time.
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Level 37
Aug 17, 2018
JFK was assassinated in November 1963. The first man landed on the Moon in July 1969. While he may have conceived the idea, how can we say that he put the first man on the moon?
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Level 83
Aug 20, 2018
What do you think a better clue would be? The Apollo program was dedicated to Kennedy; though actually you're wrong, JFK was not the first to conceive of the idea. He just made it a publicly stated priority.
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Level 72
Oct 1, 2018
What about: "successfully solved the Cuban Missile Crisis"?
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Level 83
Oct 1, 2018
eh... in my subjective opinion Kennedy did more to inflame and destabilize that situation than to solve it. But maybe I could change the clue to "slept with Marilyn Monroe."
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Level 85
Oct 3, 2018
JFK had a nuclear showdown with a country who had responded to the U.S. placing nuclear missiles in Turkey and Germany right on U.S.S.R.'s backyard and literally within a minute of Soviet Bloc countries. They in turn placed missiles down in the Carribean not as close to any significant U.S. military installation as American missiles were to many Eastern strategic points. Pushing it to the brink of nuclear war for ass kissing points with the American public was inexcusable. JFK was, however, a great motivator for the country, continued ongoing civil rights advancement and scored hotter chicks than most Presidents.
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Level 66
Dec 1, 2018
How about the Civil Rights Act? I know Johnson signed it into law, but Kennedy authored it and was its champion from the start.

I admit I tried Nixon first just based on the clue (although had I stopped for even a moment to think, I'd have realized that the only president to resign in disgrace probably doesn't rank in the top quartile).

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Level 83
May 11, 2019
I changed it to include something about civil rights
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Level 75
Oct 2, 2018
There's still time for Trump to climb the charts to number one...
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Level 83
Oct 3, 2018
From number 44? The most impressive turn around in history? Well if he can pull it off, great. I'd be rooting for him.
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Level 83
Feb 24, 2019
Hey in the last Siena poll he was voted 42nd! Moving on up!
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Level 83
Jan 20, 2021
And now, on the eve of Joe Biden's inauguration, I'm pretty sure that if another poll comes out this year Trump will be ranked 45th in history, by virtually every presidential historian alive today regardless of political affiliation. A few outliers here and there may put Trump above Johnson, Harding, or Buchanan... but in aggregate I'd bet a very large sum of money that he will again be dead last. And with even more unanimity than the first time he was ranked dead last in a poll 3 years ago.
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Level 85
Oct 3, 2018
He may have a larger percentage of more blindly ignorant supporters than even any pro slavery President.
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Level 66
Dec 1, 2018
Are we so sure he's not a pro-slavery president?
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Level 49
Mar 5, 2019
We are certain he is not a pro-slavery president.
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Level 83
Nov 13, 2020
He did tell Xi Jinping that the treatment of Uighurs in the Northwest provinces of China was the exact right thing to do. (many are in concentration and re-education camps and subject to forced labor) He's also notorious for not paying his employees and contractors. So, yeah, not so sure.
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Level 60
Nov 28, 2018
Whenever I make my lists, personally I leave out recent presidents. So while it's probably premature to call Trump the worst president, well, I don't see that changing.
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Level 83
Nov 28, 2018
I didn't make this list. Are you a presidential historian?
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Level 83
Feb 24, 2019
Data on a new Siena poll has been added to the Wikipedia page. Obama has moved out of the top quartile from 11th to 13th place, and Polk has moved up to the 11th position. Everything else is exactly the same. I'm going to the leave the quiz as is until there are some more significant changes.
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Level 83
Jun 14, 2019
and now Wikipedia has removed the aggregate column from their page... that sucks... I guess I could still update this when new polls are added but I would have to average all the data together myself now. :P
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Level 23
Apr 11, 2019
This isn't leaning left at all
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Level 83
Apr 11, 2019
correct
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Level 58
Aug 25, 2019
I personally wouldn't put Trump or Obama on here. Too recent.
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Level 83
Aug 26, 2019
I feel like the farther we get from the Trump presidency the harder it will be to believe just how precedent-shatteringly awful he was.
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Level 83
Sep 3, 2019
I think it's pretty telling which presidents are ranked lower than Harrison. Harrison got sick, did almost nothing after assuming office, and died a month later. To be ranked lower than him you would have to be actively hurting the nation and its interests; basically you are doing a worse job than if the office were simply left completely vacant. Only six presidents in history have earned this distinction.
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Level 78
Feb 24, 2020
Good quiz. Seems broadly accurate, though personally I'd probably move a few around. Kennedy has a bit of a cult of personality about him born of martyrdom, which I think tends to make people think more highly of him than he strictly deserves. But yeah, overall, quite interesting.
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Level 47
Feb 29, 2020
Are american historians a joke or something? I know many people hate Trump just because he's orange, but seriously, his politics are much less harmful than Obama's. And he's the most memic president of those united states ever. That's positive. He should be between 20th and 30th place, 44th is a joke. Franklin Roosevelt should be at about 40th place for being a coward and foreign puppet, as well as Obama.
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Level 83
Feb 29, 2020
I can't tell, considering the crazy things people believe these days, but I suspect that you are trolling.
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Level 56
Apr 29, 2020
In what universe is Trump below the guy who started a civil war.
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Level 83
Apr 29, 2020
All the ones where he becomes president. Buchanan didn't start a civil war. He just did little to prevent it. Trump has shown similar or greater levels of incompetence and indifference. I mean just look at his handling of the coronavirus pandemic. Everything he has done has only made things worse.
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Level 83
Jun 5, 2020
and now observe how he has handled the George Floyd protests. It would be easy, for any other president, to show a little empathy, to console those who were upset, and try and bring the nation together during this crisis. Instead this moron is rolling military hardware down the streets of Washington and doing everything he can to make the situation worse. It's almost like he wants to start his own civil war.
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Level 83
Jun 5, 2020
compare Trump's response to this situation to that of former presidents Obama and Bush. I'm not a big Bush fan at all, but his reaction was *so* much better than Trump's, it's just pathetic.
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Level 83
Jan 20, 2021
and now, another seven months later, and Donald Trump actually did try to start a civil war. Buchanan never did that. Buchanan is condemned for his failure to act on the eve of the American Civil War. But Trump actually endeavored to begin one. That's an absolute first. We can't judge Trump as better than Buchanan simply because we have better Republican governors and state legislatures these days than the Democrats had back in the 1860s. That has nothing to do with Trump. If Trump had his way, those governors who resisted Trump's attempts to destroy American democracy and usher in the Trumpist Dynasty would be swinging from makeshift gallows in public along with Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. If Trump wasn't such an inept moron he may have had more success at destroying the country, but that's hardly a good reason to rank him highly compared to other presidents.
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Level 51
Feb 25, 2021
Still, after all this, Trump is leading in the polls for the 2024 presidential election. But at the same time, Democrats have nothing to worry about since many Republicans are just done with Trump in their party and would rather vote for a Democrat.
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Level 83
Feb 26, 2021
What polls? Do you mean for the Republican primaries? Trump still has tens of millions of brainwashed idiots in his personality cult. Though he lost quite a few, I think, after failing to fulfill the prophecies that he would somehow win the election that he lost and arrest all the Democrats. But the GOP is completely ruined now. There are no decent people left in the party anymore at the upper levels just spineless sycophants. Trump forced out or pushed to the margins all of the semi-decent ones. So of course Trump will continue exerting influence over the party.

As for the general election in '24... if Trump runs either as the GOP candidate or as a 3rd party candidate, if he's going up against Biden, he will be crushed. Just look at Biden's approval ratings for the last month vs. Trump's over 4 years. And then consider that Trump and the GOP did absolutely everything they could to try and steal the 2020 election, and failed, but they're not in power anymore.

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Level 51
Mar 9, 2021
Oops yes, Republican Primary. No poll, not even the most Trump-biased, will show him in the lead.
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Level 51
Oct 13, 2021
Never mind (about Trump leading in just the primaries).......... 😬
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Level 83
Oct 31, 2021
A lot of people are worried about polls and Biden's dipping job approval (still not as bad as Trump's)... but... I still think if it's Biden vs. Trump in 2024 Biden will crush him. The memory of American voters is pretty short but... they're not going to forget how awful Trump was that quickly. The media has been very unkind to Biden, but he's still not and never will be as hated as Hillary Clinton. I can't say that I would be happy to be proven wrong about this (that would actually be devastating)... but I promise I will admit to being wrong in 3 years if it turns out that I am. I was one of the few back in 2016 that was worried Hillary would lose. I think she was the only candidate the Dems could have run capable of that, though. I still think Bernie would have won in '16. And any of the Democratic candidates running in 2020 could have beaten Trump, too. The main thing to worry about in '24 is voter suppression and GOP coups.
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Level 55
Mar 4, 2021
@Cybersnare, the ones where he incites an insurrection on the Capitol.
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Level 51
Jun 5, 2020
No Nixon? I know he was beneficial in moving the Civil rights campaign forward but you cant ignore Watergate.
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Level 83
Jun 5, 2020
He is closer to being in the bottom quartile than in the top quartile. Even amongst Republicans I think he was usually viewed as a corrupt failed president. Only recently have I seen some start to change their mind about this. I guess next to Trump, Nixon seems pretty innocent.
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Level 83
Jun 15, 2020
Trump is the most openly, nakedly, completely corrupt president in the entire history of the United States. and he was also closer friends with Epstein than Clinton. You'd have to be almost as stupid as Trump is to believe that the Clintons are the more likely suspect in Epstein's death than Trump or Epstein himself.

Let's do some math here. The probability that Trump engaged in criminal activity with Jeffrey Epstein is at least 95%. Both are known criminals, known to like "younger" women, accused of criminal sexual activity multiple times, have absolutely zero moral compass or conscience, are obvious sociopaths, partied together many times, and Trump is on record in an interview remarking about how Epstein is fun to hang out with and likes women as much as he does and "on the younger side."

The probability that Clinton engaged in criminal activity with Epstein is about 50%. Clinton is also an accused sex offender, though not as oft-accused as Trump.

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Level 83
Jun 15, 2020
Clinton has also been accused of some criminality, though again not nearly as much. Unlike Trump, though, Clinton has never been accused of or said anything to imply that he might like girls "on the younger side."

What's the probability that Trump or Clinton were stupid enough to put themselves in a situation where Epstein could obtain incriminating evidence against them for use in blackmail? I'd put that at 100% for Trump and 60% for Clinton. Trump is a world-class idiot who can't operate an umbrella. Clinton on the other hand is by all accounts a genius, but, he did get caught in the Lewinsky affair, and Epstein is known for being pretty clever and devious. So odds are he could have gotten dirt on both of them.

What are the odds that Trump or Clinton would have the will to have someone murdered? Well Trump is a total psychopath who has repeatedly expressed admiration for murderous thugs like Putin and Duterte. He is a malignant narcissist with 0 capacity for empathy.

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Level 83
Jun 15, 2020
So I'd say this is 100% for Trump. Clinton, on the other hand, as ruthless a politician as he is, is also clearly a man of conscience who cares about people. He has hurt people before in his attempts to gain or retain power, but he is not a psychopath. I'd say odds of him having the will to murder someone is around 20%.

And motive? Who is more likely to have the motive to have Epstein killed? Who has more to lose? Well... Trump is the sitting US president. In an election year. If he loses this next election, as an unindicted co-conspirator in multiple felonies protected from incarceration only by DOJ policy to not charge sitting presidents, this means he will likely go to jail. He is also a narcissist who can't imagine losing. He would do absolutely anything to not lose this election. His odds of having motive are 100%. Clinton? He's been out of politics for 20 years and now does charity work. His only reason to not want his..

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Level 83
Jun 15, 2020
...sexual exploits to go public would be to protect his family. Though he has gone to some lengths to do this before. His odds of having enough motive would be about 50%.

and finally there's the question of who is more likely to have the power to get Epstein killed. Trump is the sitting US president. Epstein was being held in a federal prison. Trump's buddy Bill Barr is the current head of the DOJ and is completely corrupt and unethical and will do anything Trump wants him to do. On the other hand, Trump is also an incompetent bumbling boob who seems to be too stupid to get away with anything. He might kill Epstein then call and brag on Fox and Friends. But he's got the power to do it and in the end the odds that Trump could have had Epstein offed in prison and gotten away with it are something like 90%.

As for Clinton? Again, he's been out of politics for 20 years. He no doubt is well-connected, and he's a smart, capable guy, but his connections in the DOJ...

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Level 83
Jun 15, 2020
...are pretty old and irrelevant at this point. Especially since Trump has cleared out the majority of the competent bureaucrats and public servants from previous administrations. Most of what's left at this point are Trumpists. It's *highly* unlikely that Clinton would be able to have a prisoner in a federal prison killed. I'd put these odds at 10%.

Finally, what are the odds that Epstein actually was murdered and didn't commit suicide? Eh.. probably like 35%. It's a possibility. But not terribly likely.

Odds that Trump had Epstein killed:

(0.95)(1.00)(1.00)(1.00)(0.90)(0.35) or around 30%

Odds that Clinton had Epstein killed:

(0.50)(0.60)(0.20)(0.50)(0.10)(0.35) or around 0.1%

And this is ignoring the possibility that Epstein was murdered by associates of Alan Dershowitz, Prince Andrew, any of his hundreds of other contacts, or some random vigilante in the prison.

So, again, you'd have to be colossally stupid to think Clinton did it.

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Level 83
Aug 2, 2020
I'm going to leave this series of replies up though just because I like the probabilities I came up with which I think are probably fairly accurate, except a bit high because there are several things I didn't bother factoring in as mentioned.

But this was originally in response to BusinessFreak who, among other unsupported conspiracy theories, believes that the Clintons likely had something to do with the death of Jeffrey Epstein.

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Level 86
Aug 18, 2020
I went ahead and deleted all my comments that were meant for BusinessFreak. Don't see the use in them staying up now that he appears to be gone.
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Level 83
Aug 18, 2020
The man is trying to silence the truth speakers.
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Level 19
Oct 6, 2020
Obama and trump should switch and I consider this ok
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Level 83
Oct 30, 2020
your position is strongly opposed to reality, but ok.
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Level 67
Oct 25, 2020
this is too biased
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Level 83
Oct 27, 2020
How so?
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Level 86
Jun 21, 2021
Because only someone who looks at history through a wall of personal biases thicker than lead would think that Wilson, Jackson and Obama are some of our 10 best or that Trump was the worst. Now I know you have taken up the responsibility of being the JetPunker who must let the whole world know how much you hate Trump, but it's old. We get it, you hate him as a person, but this quiz is hideously biased, both in design and answers.
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Level 83
Jun 21, 2021
You clearly don't get it... as this quiz is not based on my personal opinion. But... I would expect this lapse in comprehension from anyone who holds some of the opinions you do. Without being prone to such lapses you could not have arrived at those opinions any other way.
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Level 47
Oct 30, 2020
Haha this is rich
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Level 83
Oct 30, 2020
unlike Trump
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Level 55
Nov 28, 2020
I think you should move Jackson below Kennedy and Obama, because of the way he treated Cherokee’s
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Level 83
Nov 28, 2020
the rankings are not based on my personal opinion. It's an aggregate of presidential historians' opinions. and I imagine that Jackson's position will gradually migrate down in future decades because of this.
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Level 55
Nov 29, 2020
Yeah just realized.
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Level 55
Jan 7, 2021
I think after what happened yesterday, trump is the worst for sure
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Level 83
Jan 7, 2021
He already was. Those who have ever denied this are delusional, ignorant, or dishonest.
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Level 55
Jan 8, 2021
he was worst before 2020, now he is like 100000th best or smth
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Level 83
Jan 8, 2021
I'd like to make it clear that I'm not using hyperbole or exaggeration at all, so I'll stick to just saying that he is hands down the 45th best, or #1 worst, president in US history. And this has been clear since the beginning of his presidency with the fact that he was the least qualified person to ever hold office, and then starting with his horrible cabinet appointments, the "Muslim" ban, Trump going to the CIA to brag about his inauguration crowds even while attacking US intelligence agencies, worldwide protests against him taking office, executive orders meant to hamstring international women's health initiatives, lawsuits filed against the president for violating the emoluments clause, overturning of several efforts to protect the environment, an executive order to begin construction on a border wall at tax-payer expense, withholding of funds from certain American cities he didn't like, an embarrassing phone call with the Mexican president resulting in him canceling a trip here
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Level 83
Jan 8, 2021
an interview with Sean Hannity in which he praised torture and repeated lies about election fraud and inauguration crowd sizes, chaos at airports around the country after his unclear executive order blocking travel from 7 countries, publicly undermined NATO, putting Steven Bannon on the National Security Council and sidelining the director of national intelligence and chairman of the joint chiefs, another embarrassing phone call with the president of Australia and a sycophantic one to Vladimir Putin, a bungled military operation in Yemen, the firing of Sally Yates on the grounds that she was being ethical, the nomination of Neil Gorsuch to the USC after over a year of denying a vote on legitimate nominee Merrick Garland, using the National Prayer Breakfast to brag about his Apprentice ratings, beginnings of backing out of the Iran nuclear deal, another exec order meant to undermine the Dodd-Frank act, and he took to Twitter to attack federal judges.
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Level 83
Jan 8, 2021
All of the above happened in the first two weeks of Trump's presidency, and alone clearly ranks him as the most inept president in the history of the country. Things have only gotten worse since then.
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Level 55
Jan 10, 2021
I completely agree.
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Level 86
Jun 21, 2021
Oh grow up you child.
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Level 83
Jun 21, 2021
You worship as your messiah a man who publicly feuded with Rosie O'Donnell and a gold star family... and you think I need to grow up.
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Level 51
Jan 19, 2021
Same
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Level 51
Mar 9, 2021
According to Wikipedia... Trump is the ONLY president NEVER elected to an office, as he never even ran ever (discounting his mediocre 2000 run in which he dropped out).
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Level 83
Mar 9, 2021
what the heck are you talking about? Do you mean prior to becoming president? Yes, he was by far the least experienced least qualified candidate to ever be elected president. He had zero relevant experience. Trust fund baby turned conman and multiple failed businessman turned reality TV star.
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Level 86
Jun 21, 2021
And yet he was the only President in more than thirty years to not start any new wars, broker multiple peace deals in the Middle East, oversee a record economy, and lead the USA to it's lowest minority unemployment in history. But apparently mean tweets negate all of that because he hurt people's feelings.
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Level 83
Jun 21, 2021
Me, every qualified historian, every sane person with an IQ in triple digits in the world including prominent conservatives and former leaders of the Republican party: "here are six billion detailed, comprehensive reasons why Trump is the worst president in US history unrelated to his behavior on social media."

Trump supporters: "so you're saying you don't like him because he spends 80% of his time tweeting like a retarded 3rd grader? Since when is that a bad thing? Pointing to your dislike of that, which you didn't even mention, clearly undermines your whole argument because everyone should love that he conducts foreign policy the way a small child with tourette's syndrome would."

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Level 55
Oct 7, 2021
Ok OK theodore he might've done some good, but you have to weigh things objectively. Inciting an attempted insurrection has far worse impact than any peace deals.
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Level 55
Mar 11, 2021
Looking at the Siena Poll Metrics, the stat Obama ranked worst at was Relations with Congress, where he was 33rd( Most of it was not his fault), and Trump was ranked 42nd there, which is in large part, due to him, considering he had a Senate Majority his entire term, but still threw up a racket, for example, he vetoed a Bipartisan Defense bill because of his personal feud with Twitter. And the way Biden's first month has gone in terms of relations with McCarthy and McConnell, he is probably in 30th or 31st place( Again, not really his fault). And while I hope this doesn't happen, the future presidents will all probably rank bad in this stat, unless there is some revolution that turns politics back to 50s bipartisanship.
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Level 83
Mar 11, 2021
McConnell and Congressional Republicans on day 1 of Obama's presidency had already committed (and not metaphorically, they actually met and made this agreement it is well documented) to be completely intractable and obstructionist through Obama's entire term. They didn't even want to allow him a bipartisan victory on legislation that they would have wanted to see passed if it could be helped. It was completely their fault.

But the fact that Trump was so bad at governance that he couldn't even get along with the members of his own sycophantic party I don't think will be repeated any time in the near future. If Democrats are able to hold on to the House and expand their majority in the Senate in the 2022 mid-terms, then there's no reason to suspect that Biden won't be able to work with Congress just fine.

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Level 55
Mar 11, 2021
I just looked at the Siena poll, and it says FDR was the 5th Luckiest? In what universe is a man who has to fix the greatest Economic Disaster and Carry the US through a tough, deadly war lucky?
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Level 83
Mar 21, 2021
I'm sure I don't have the same level of knowledge that those answering the survey did, so can only speculate (poorly)... but I have heard it said before that at least half of FDR's policies meant to solve the Great Depression failed and that the New Deal would have failed, too, leading to FDR's likely defeat in the next election, if not for WW2 starting and the resulting titanic boost to the economy that came from ramping up war production. Maybe something to do with that?

Other instances of luck during FDR's term? Somewhat lucky for his ambition to join WW2 that the Japanese decided to attack, and their German allies declared war, ending any debate over this. Lucky that the Japanese failed to hit any aircraft carriers at Pearl Harbor because they were out on maneuvers. Pretty lucky for FDR and the Allies that Hitler was stupid enough to invade the USSR. And that the Germans never invaded Britain. ::shrug:: would have to ask the experts.

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Level 55
Apr 24, 2021
I guess luck measures surrounding events which cannot be controlled by the president themselves. The most unlucky seem to be the ones that died.
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Level 55
Apr 24, 2021
Almost 100 days into Biden's presidency, and I don't think he could possibly come anywhere remotely near the bottom quartile. He has been 10000x the president trump ever was. His biggest achievement so far is the American Rescue plan, and the amazing vaccination rate. He has managed to vaccinate Americans 4x faster than trump. He has also secured an Afghanistan withdrawal by sept 11th. I think if he continues at this pace, he will wind up in the top 20 for sure.
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Level 86
Jun 21, 2021
I want what you're smoking. The number of children held at the border *tripled* after Biden took office, he increased bombing in Syria and destroyed all the progress the United States had made with both energy independence and Russia. Biden has done more for Putin/Russia than any president in many many years. He stopped several key American pipelines from completion and then removed all the sanctions (that Trump installed) which were preventing Russia from completing their massive pipeline project. When we were hit by Russian cyber attacks, he paid the ransom frighteningly soon after the attacks. He also has withheld more than $100 million in aid from Ukraine (sound familiar?) and is no longer sending them military aid. Not to mention the fact that his massive spending has caused inflation to rise faster than it has in decades and to its highest point in more than seven years. Also, he's back to the America Last policy of Obama, which crippled American employment.
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Level 83
Jun 21, 2021
oxygen?
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Level 55
Jul 6, 2021
@Theodore valid points about the cyberattacks, but notice I commented before those happened.
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Level 83
Jul 7, 2021
Biden didn't pay any ransom. Wth are you guys talking about? A private company that controlled the Colonial Pipeline was hit by a ransomware attack from a Russian hacker gang looking to make money. It's unclear and improbable that the Russian government was behind this, though it is broadly understood that Putin doesn't really do anything to try and stop or discourage these hackers from being disruptive to foreign companies or governments. The decision to pay the ransom was made by Colonial Pipeline executives and had nothing to do with Biden. Biden's response was to acknowledge and condemn the attack, and pledge to hold Putin accountable for failing to prosecute or investigate such hackers.

Meanwhile, in response to the 2020 Solarwinds hack, which was far bigger and more serious, and actually backed directly by the Russian government, Trump refused to do anything, because he was a Russian puppet who was entirely deferential to and never criticized Putin in 4 years.

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Level 55
Jul 7, 2021
BIDEN definitely didn't pay the ransom, the company did, and if the ransom wasn't paid our gas prices would be so much higher. The only thing I agreed with was the fact that so many attacks are happening all of a sudden.... which I'm sure Biden isn't responsible for yet, we will have to see his solution, which I am confident he has.

My point remains though that he is getting us out of the biggest health crisis in a century and has created 3 million jobs in 6 months, so for that alone he is above average.

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Level 55
Jul 7, 2021
Or did this amount of attacks happen under Trump also? I might have missed it because so many other things were covered in the news.
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Level 83
Jul 7, 2021
They've been going on for many years and Russia has either sponsored or encouraged them, or done nothing to stop them. During the 4 years of the Trump administration Trump refused to even bring them up in meetings with Putin, and always sided with Putin over all US intelligence agencies when Putin claimed innocence, and even went so far as repeating lies and misinformation cooked up by Russian intelligence. The most notorious Russian hacks during the Trump years I think were the hack of the DNC e-mail server (which Trump himself directed to happen, on television, just before it actually took place), and then the Solarwinds hack. Both of these IMO were vastly more serious than the Colonial Pipeline thing which was just about money, as they constituted direct attacks on American national security and democracy. But Trump didn't merely respond weakly in each case, he was himself complicit. It boggles the mind that a president could do this and some people don't care.
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Level 54
Aug 29, 2021
Dear Quizmaster, please block this douchebag named Theodore.
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Level 55
Aug 16, 2021
Oooof. The Afghanistan stuff aged a bit worse than I thought it would on april 24th.
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Level 83
Aug 16, 2021
I think that Afghanistan would have gone to shit almost immediately if the US occupation had ended at any point between when it began and the present. Biden will get blamed for it, even though Trump is the one that made the deal to do it, and Obama campaigned on doing it. Could it have been done better? Maybe. But that wouldn't have stopped everything from going to shit. The US spent 20 years there trying to train and prop up the government, military, and security forces. Would another 20 years have made a difference? Maybe. Maybe not. Would another few months or a year? Probably not.

I have no doubt horrible things are going to happen as a direct result of the American withdrawal. Similar to what would have happened if we'd pulled out in 2005 or 2010 or 2015. Those who were always saying the US should leave because the Afghan government/military can handle things themselves, or that the US invasion made things worse for the Afghan people, are wrong and were always wrong.

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Level 83
Aug 16, 2021
Those saying we should pull out because the US should not be in the business of nation building or prolonged military occupations of foreign countries, or because it's the Afghans' problem not ours consequences be damned, or that whatever bad things happen preventing them is still not worth the lives, capital, or international flak we take for staying there... well... we'll see how bad things get and what terrorist attacks and humanitarian crises etc follow and I guess we can judge afterward if these people had a point or not. But currently (at least up until recently) these people were in the majority in the US (I think in both parties?) and Biden/Trump/Obama were directly catering to them.

The only thing I find pretty gross are those who both a) believed and argued strongly that the US should leave Afghanistan and b) are now going to blame Biden for what happens as a direct result of him not stopping what was already in motion and what they wanted. Plenty of those types.

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Level 62
Jun 13, 2021
No quiz for vice presidents :( ?
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Level 83
Jun 13, 2021
There aren't very many polls conducted on the subject of vice presidents. You can find lists out there but none as well sourced, serious, or unbiased as this one. Pretty useless position to be honest.
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Level 55
Jun 18, 2021
I think on that one, Mondale and Adlai Stevenson would be among the best, while John C. Calhoun and Dick Cheney would be worst.
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Level 83
Jun 18, 2021
I've seen lists with Cheney as the worst. I'm not sure I agree. Mostly because.. how does one even evaluate performance in a job that is basically a totally pointless and powerless position? Cheney was maybe the most powerful and influential VP in history. Was his influence for good? For evil? Does it matter when stood up next to the other 50 odd VPs in history that did basically nothing at all?

I haven't given this serious thought and don't think it's really very important at all. But I think I'd probably at least rank Cheney above Spirow Agnew. The man so terrible and notoriously corrupt that his own party forced him to resign before Nixon resigned just so that he would never be president.

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Level 54
Jun 27, 2021
I think you have to be less than 75% metal to qualify as a human Vice President 😏
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Level 50
Jun 30, 2021
This is the first (and only) Andrew Jackson's ending up on the "Best President" list...
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Level 83
Jun 30, 2021
Hardly. On the 21 different polls of presidential historians, taken from 1948 through 2021, that Wikipedia includes on its page of historical rankings of US presidents, Jackson's previous rankings were:

6th, 6th, 7th, 7th, 13th, 9th, 11th, 8th, 5th, 13th, 6th, 13th, 10th, 13th, 14th, 9th, 9th, 18th, 15th, 19th, 22nd

As you can see, he only really started to fall out of favor since about 2017. Your opinion is an extremely recent one. If the quiz were based only on opinions from the last 5 years, then Jackson would not be in the top quartile. He still wouldn't be in the bottom quartile, though.

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Level 83
Jun 30, 2021
Interestingly, that last poll (where Jackson was ranked 22nd best, his worst finish ever) was just published today. But I guess to someone born yesterday, seeing him in the top 11 would seem bizarre.
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Level 33
Jul 8, 2021
Oh apparently a big economy, a great policy on the border, and a strong military is bad?

Interesting. I never knew that.

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Level 83
Jul 9, 2021
You sound extremely well-informed. Probably you should contact the experts who voted in these polls and let them know about all of the important information you have access to that they might not be aware of.
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Level 33
Jul 8, 2021
And Ronald Reagan should be in the top 10.
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Level 83
Jul 10, 2021
In the 2021 CSPAN poll he was. Ranked 9th, right over Obama. Trump was 41st in that one. So obviously that poll was unusually right-leaning. If you find yourself leaning even farther right, it is time for a look inward.
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Level 45
Jul 17, 2021
This quiz is extremely biased towards the left...
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Level 83
Jul 17, 2021
It is objectively not biased, based on polls done over many decades of hundreds of different experts of all political persuasions (but leaning conservative). Any perception of bias points toward bias in the person perceiving it.
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Level 55
Jul 26, 2021
C-span just released a new one. The top 12 are Lincoln, Washington, FDR, TR, Eisenhower, Truman, Jefferson(should be higher than both Truman and Eisenhower in my opinion), Kennedy, Reagan(I don't know why he is always this high), Obama, LBJ( a bit too high for him), and Monroe.

The bottom in descending order is Buchanan, Johnson, Pierce, Trump, Harrison, Tyler, Filmore, Harding, Hoover, Taylor, Van Buren, and Hayes. Near misses include Nixon(31st), and Bush jr. (29th, his score seems to be trending upward), Jackson continues to trend downward, and Polk is severely underrated again, and Wilson is very overrated at 13th, should be lower than 25th at minimum.

As you mentioned this poll seems to lean right a bit.

Also, I may be wrong, but why is Jimmy Carter always rated so low? He had the Iranian Hostage Crisis and the Oil Crisis, but he fixed the Iran Hostage Crisis and Largely Fixed the Oil Crisis. A lot of Reagan's success can be attributed to his policies.

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Level 83
Jul 27, 2021
I commented on this a couple times above. But yes, fair summary. 13th is still, if you look at historical rankings, very low for Wilson. He and Jackson both continue to trend sharply down, but, the low opinion people have of both presidents is a very recent phenomenon which I'm sure is mostly due to the social justice and identity politics movements of the last decade which paint both presidents as racists. Wilson is also getting attacked lately for his interventionist foreign policy ideas - but that, too, is tied to SJW/social justice politics and the idea that Westerners are colonists and occupiers.

I agree that Jimmy gets a lot more hate than he rightly deserves. I think he's usually viewed as weak and indecisive on both foreign and domestic issues. He receives blame for the recession, oil shock, and Iran-hostage crisis he presided over, none of which he had much to do with. And rarely gets credit for other things like the Camp David accords.

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Level 33
Oct 6, 2021
This quiz is 100% biased. It should not be biased towards a certain political side as for some reason why was Carter not in the worst or Reagan in the best. In my opinion Reagan did a lot more than Obama. Polk and McKinley are also not there but Obama is doesn't make sense definitely biased.
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Level 83
Oct 6, 2021
There's nothing biased about the quiz. If you feel differently, you should be examining your own biases.
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Level 55
Oct 7, 2021
Jimmy Carter while average at best did some good things and has had some good long term impacts. There is no way you can assert he was worse than someone like Nixon.

Reagan was popular, but his supply-side economics can be attributed to some of our problems we face today+ the war on drugs. I think he is good where he is at. 17th. You could even argue for him being lower.

Polk should be 25th-30th. Overrated President. Recklessly pursued Manifest Destiny and re-opened the slavery debate and divided the country further.

Nothing special about Mckinley. The Economy was good buyt his foreign policy was reckless. He rounded Philippine civilians into concentration camps. Average President.

Obama will be remembered for leading the US out of the 2008 recession and for his pursuit of equal justice. He is similar to Coolidge in the sense that he lead America through a period of strong economic growth and pursued equal justice. Easily top 15, and probably top 10 as well.

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Level 55
Oct 7, 2021
I know I stated Polk was underrated a few months ago, but as I became more educated on Pre-Civil War History and on Polk's vision, I've disliked him more. I've actually started to dislike Jacksonians in general more.
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Level 83
Oct 7, 2021
Manifest Destiny, any kind of interventionist or aggressive/hands-on foreign policy, in fact almost any foreign policy at all, and pretty much any expansion/growth of "White," "Western," or European/American power or influence, in recent decades, has come to be heavily criticized and characterized as almost universally a bad thing. While I don't dismiss these people's arguments entirely, I think overall I take a more traditional view on these things. I still think Manifest Destiny was on balance a good thing, even if many of the wars, forced relocations and population displacements, and other unfortunate policies that may have been influenced by the philosophy were, perhaps-inevitable-product-of-the-times that they were, still bad. I'm one of those weirdoes who believes that a one-world borderless government is the ideal we should be striving for. The sort that conspiracy theorists believe are really in control of everything even though in reality we have no power.
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Level 55
Oct 9, 2021
I'm all for Manifest Destiny. I just don't like Polk's version of it. He was doing it purely for southern enterprise. A good version of Manifest Destiny that I would've liked to see is pairing every slave state with a free state, or better yet, no more slave states. There is a very good chance that if Polk served a second term, he would try to violate the Missouri compromise to add more slave states,
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Level 83
Oct 6, 2021
Anyone who thinks that I am exaggerating or out of touch or suffering from "TDS" when I state how precedent-shatteringly awful Donald Trump was: I encourage you to take some time and read about Warren G. Harding and the Teapot Dome scandal.

Before Richard Nixon, Harding's administration was considered by far and hands down the most corrupt in history. Teapot Dome was synonymous with scandal and corruption the way that ____gate has become a byword for political scandal since Watergate. And Harding has been rated at or near the bottom of all rankings of presidents done ever since.

But if you read about this scandal, which involved some no-bid low-rent leasing of a few Navy oil reserves to private companies.... my god... it just boggles the mind now, in the era of Trump, that this was ever even considered newsworthy. The Trump administration did 5 worse & more openly shameless corrupt things than that *every* day. It's not even remotely close. But ignorance is bliss.