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States That Shifted to Trump

Guess the six states where Obama won the electoral vote in 2012, but Trump won it in 2016.
No electoral votes shifted in the other direction, from Republican to Democrat
Last updated: March 03, 2018
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Florida
Iowa
Michigan
Ohio
Pennsylvania
Wisconsin
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level 79
Mar 3, 2018
Shouldn't the caveat say "from Republican to Democrat"?
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level 71
Mar 3, 2018
It sure should. Oops.
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level 57
Mar 3, 2018
No, Obama is a democrat and Trump is a republican, so these states transfered from Democrat to Republican
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level 71
Mar 23, 2018
Which isn't what sillie was questioning
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level 69
Mar 3, 2018
I hate to get political, but half of these states would of went Democrat if it wasn't for voter suppression on behalf of Republicans, especially in Wisconsin.
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level 74
Mar 3, 2018
*"have gone"
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level 71
Mar 3, 2018
There's a second factor: the biggest swings to Clinton were in very red or blue states like Utah and California, where any vote shifts in her favor would make no difference.
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level 74
Mar 3, 2018
The Republican's chief strategy in every swing state is voter suppression. They know that they can't win if everyone votes and all votes are counted so it's really all they've got. The Democrat's chief strategy is the opposite: voter registration.

That said, I don't know if it's possible to gage just how much of a difference any one thing made. But Florida aside, these are all rust belt states. Voters there felt neglected and passed over by Hillary and the DNC, while Trump's campaign targeted them specifically. Seems to have paid off.
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level 63
Mar 3, 2018
Got a source for that?
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level 73
Mar 6, 2018
Haha...and I'm sure it had nothing to do with the Democrat candidate ignoring these states.
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level 74
Apr 3, 2018
oh, it had a lot to do with that. The DNC could hardly have rigged the primary in favor of a worse candidate.

But what Bernard said is also true. A close election could go the other way for a number of different reasons.
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level 74
Jun 9, 2018
Telling a group in West Virginia, "We're going to put a lot of coal companies and coal miners out of business," wasn't her finest hour. I've seen many political elections and I've seen shenanigans on both sides to steal votes. Party bosses used to control a lot of votes, even blatantly changing the totals or "misplacing" ballots. Neither party can boast the high road, historically. I really don't think it's as bad now as it used to be, and better election oversight has made a difference, but it probably still occurs. No proof for that assumption, only common sense based on what I've seen in the past as someone closely involved with elections. Politics has always been a dirty business, and remains so today.
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level 49
Jun 11, 2018
The truth is, Clinton herself was the biggest factor in voter suppression in the 2016 election. A lack of enthusiasm for Clinton put Trump in the White House more than anything else. A better candidate would have gotten more people to the polls just by virtue of being a better candidate.
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level 45
Jun 12, 2018
Your illegals cast millions of votes.
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level 74
Aug 14, 2018
1. I don't have any "illegals." 2. there is zero evidence of voter fraud on anything even approaching this scale. 3. only stupid people believe that there is. 4. 3 million extra votes cast in California would not have changed a thing, except for hurting the manbaby in chief's feelings because he knows he didn't actually win the election.
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level 25
Jun 13, 2018
Another thing that didn't help Hilary get votes is a lot of people were still into Bernie Sanders when the National Election came around.
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level 42
Mar 3, 2018
i got 3, i'm well pleased at my guesswork
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level 55
Mar 3, 2018
If you believe the "voter suppression" canard than you are just a partisan hack. Black women have the highest voter turnout of any demographic in America. If anything, Republicans were gypped in the election by illegal voting from non-citizens as well bussing. Though the massive and impossible figures reported by officials in Chicago would not have changed the outcome in Illinois, cheating cost Trump New Hampshire and possibly Nevada.
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level 68
Mar 4, 2018
Source?
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level 73
Mar 6, 2018
Here you go: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/ This is just one instance of corrupt voting practices. I live in Illinois. I've seen how this crap works.
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level 74
Apr 3, 2018
Chicago might be special. But in the 2016 presidential election there were slightly less than the 3 million+ instances of fraudulent votes cast claimed by Trump (whose source was some German guy who saw a Latino vote in Florida- as if there aren't any Latinos legally in Florida). How much was he off by? Well, apparently something like 2,999,996. Yes. There were four cases of voter fraud in 2016. Four.
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level ∞
May 18, 2018
I can say with a high level of certainty that the number of fraudulent votes was greater than 4 but less than 3,000,000.
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level 65
Jun 9, 2018
"Gypped?" 2018.
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level 74
Jun 9, 2018
Quizmaster: evidence?
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level 71
Jun 12, 2018
Common sense.
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level 74
Jun 14, 2018
ah, yes. "common sense," the "evidence" that is always cited for things like... 9/11 conspiracy theories, the health benefits of colon cleansing, the Kalam cosmological argument, and everything else that cannot be demonstrated to be true and therefore must be intuited.
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level 54
Sep 17, 2018
I think Trump just made up that number so that he could claim he won the popular vote. QM has a point though. It is almost overwhelmingly likely that in a country of more than 300 million people at least five are going to try to cheat in an election. I couldn't get into that article but I'm guessing those four were the ones that were discovered, not the total number.
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level 74
Sep 28, 2018
Of course it was the four that were discovered, but every estimate of significantly more cases of fraud all have the same thing in common: no evidence.
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level 54
Oct 5, 2018
There may well have been more but quite probably not significantly more. And an estimate of millions is insane.
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level 67
Mar 7, 2018
The democrats have become completely reliant on illegal alien votes. They shoot down every piece of legislation that proposes only allowing legal US Citizens to vote because they know their party would collapse if only Americans voted.
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level 71
Mar 7, 2018
Why should only citizens be allowed to vote if the laws affect everyone? In New Zealand, non-citizens are allowed to vote - permanent residents (the equivalent of US green card holders) also vote, because they pay taxes too and they should have some say in the shape of the government that will make decisions that relate to them as well.
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level 71
Mar 10, 2018
I don't know if any European coutnry follows NZ example at national elections, but at local elections it's quite common to allow all permanent residents to vote, regardless of nationality.
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level 74
Apr 3, 2018
Anyone reading these comments who doesn't know: TinklePork is absolutely insane. There is ZERO evidence for any of the Alex Jones conspiracy theories he spreads around on this site. There has NEVER been any legislation that only US citizens can vote in an election because this is already a law. Democrats have resisted Republicans' unconstitutional attempts to suppress voter turnout and voter registration, something that goes back at least to the era of Jim Crow, and not because the Democrats are great noble champions of democracy but because they know (and the GOP knows) that if every American citizen voted in fair elections the GOP can not win. So Republicans try to pass every law they can to make it more difficult or impossible for certain people to vote, they've openly admitted that this is what they're doing (when they thought cameras weren't rolling usually), even while lying and pretending that it had something to do with voter fraud. It's NEVER been about voter fraud.
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level 59
Jun 9, 2018
"...make it more difficult or impossible for certain people to vote." What a load of crap. The only thing that keeps people from voting is their inability to follow simple instructions and/or their unwillingness to put out any effort.
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level 74
Jun 9, 2018
Taking people off of voter rolls en masse for "suspected" but unsubstantiated fraud makes it pretty impossible for them to vote. Reducing the number of polling stations or the staff available for voting centers in poor or urban areas to the point where lines are 6-8 hours long and nobody with a job can wait that long effectively takes away certain people's ability to vote. Voter intimidation and scaring people away from polling centers makes it difficult for them to vote. Not counting or disqualifying votes for no good reason effectively takes away people's ability to vote. Mandating that people legally registered to vote produce ID, when the large majority of Americans use their driver's license as an ID, and many young people as well as many poor people living in cities don't have valid driver's licenses (groups likely to vote Democratic) is another thing intentionally meant to disenfranchise certain voters. These are just some of many common things used to suppress the vote.
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level 74
Jun 9, 2018
And historically of course they used murder, violence, poll taxes, and "literacy tests" designed to be impossible to achieve the same thing. This goes back a long time, back to when the people who are currently Republican used to be Democrat and the roles were reversed, whether you know about it or are ignorant.

And, whether you are murdering someone, making it impossible to register to vote, taking away their right to vote after they have registered, or merely making it inconvenient enough that a large percentage will choose not to vote... the end result is the same. People are disenfranchised and elections are stolen.
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level 70
Jun 9, 2018
I once created a quiz titled "Top 10 Reasons Why Kalbahamut Comments on JetPunk Quizzes" in which every answer was "Narcissism," but I stand squarely behind him here. First of all, TinklePork's brain is addled with conspiracy theories and suffers generally from a low capacity for critical thinking. Second, Kal is right on the mark regarding voter suppression vs. voter fraud in the US. This isn't a debate. If you think you understand the issue and you're claiming that voter fraud is the bigger problem of the two, you are misinformed. Go read a peer-reviewed history textbook on the subject and get yourself educated. The beautiful thing about facts is that they're true regardless of whether you believe them, but the frustrating thing about facts is that they're true regardless of whether you believe them.
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level 59
Jun 10, 2018
No drivers license? State issued ID cards are available. Free of charge to those who can't afford them. Long waits at polling places? Absentee ballots. Early voting where its provided. Polling place moved/closed? Plan ahead. Voter fraud? I'm not addressing that. Historic issues and injustices? Certainly they existed. But since this quiz references the 2012 and 2016 elections why don't we stick to that time frame?
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level 74
Jun 10, 2018
colematr: There is a section of this quiz that I made for people like yourself.

jkabq: everything I said still stands. Voter ID laws, deliberately inadequate funding for polling stations, etc. have all been cynically employed to make voting inconvenient (in some cases impossible) enough to reduce voter turnout. There is no other reason for it. So why are you supporting voter suppression? Americans have a Constitutional right to vote. Not a "right to vote, if you're willing to jump through all the hoops erected to try and prevent you from doing so." It's not really that if, given enough free time, knowledge, and willpower, most Americans could not vote (though I notice you completely side stepped the issue of people being taken off voter rolls for no valid reason, or having their votes not counted for no valid reason). The point is that the GOP does try to reduce voter turnout. This is un-American.
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level 59
Jun 11, 2018
kalbahamut: "Americans have a Constitutional right to vote." And as an American I feel I have the right to be assured that only Americans are voting. Therefore, Voter ID. People being taken off voter rolls for no valid reason? When true, it needs to be investigated and corrected. Many of the cases occurred when overly aggressive reviews of the voter rolls were applied without sufficient safeguard against such results. So review more often so that major errors flag immediately. Years ago I failed to vote in a couple of national elections and found myself removed from the rolls in my state. My fault. Personal responsibility was then applied. Votes not being counted? That's criminal and we have laws to deal with it. I do not support voter suppression but I do view voting as not only a right but a responsibility and that responsibility may entail making some effort to be a participant. Side note: I am a registered independent. I don't answer to any party. I call out both.
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level 74
Jun 11, 2018
Paranoia about voter fraud is cynically manufactured in xenophobic rubes as a means to an end: that end being disenfranchising LEGAL CITIZENS of the United States. I agree with most of what you said. People without the legal right to vote should not be voting. Efforts to suppress votes should be investigated and prosecuted. Unfortunately, contrary to popular opinion, we have a LOT more of the latter than we do of the former, and it is VERY RARELY prosecuted. What the Republicans have often openly admitted to is downright criminal and un American like I said. There is no evidence of widespread efforts to bus in "illegals" to vote in elections anywhere, but there are stories about such nonsense in conservative media because those media outlets are complicit in efforts to suppress the vote. If there were any evidence of voter fraud like has been alleged without evidence by people like Trump and Alex Jones I'd have no problem with addressing it.
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level 55
Jun 11, 2018
kalbahamut: While reading your comments through the years, I have always been amazed by your incredible intelligence and vast knowledge. I do, however, have one issue with your comment about Americans having a Constitutional right to vote. Technically, that's not necessarily the case. Voting for the presidency is very much left up to the states in the U.S. Constitution as to how to determine its slate of electors, by the means the state deems appropriate. While the 15th, 19th and 26th amendments deal with voting, they do so as to not exclude individual from voting on particular grounds. But doesn't necessarily grant the right to vote. Only the 23rd amendment actually gives any group of citizens the outright right to vote, that being residents of the District of Columbia. The 17th amendment deals with giving the right to vote, but that is specifically for offices of the U.S. Senate. In short, while these amendment basically do give rights, it's not specifically stated as such.
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level 74
Jun 12, 2018
ozz: don't you think that's really splitting hairs? If the Constitution goes out of its way to specifically enfranchise certain people who had been denied the right to vote... is it not at the very least implied that this is a right that ought not be denied to any American? And anyway these shenanigans certainly affect the voters in the District of Columbia, too.
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level 74
Jun 9, 2018
and calling something a "canard" is pretty dumb when Republicans themselves have explicitly stated that this is what they are doing. one story here but it happens all the time. It's not a secret.
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level 56
Jun 9, 2018
Personally, I think way too many political parties worldwide are way too focused on 'how to win the next election' as opposed to 'how to actually improve things for people'. Things like this are, unfortunately, commonplace in pretty much every democratic institution eventually. It's far easier to win, if you can bend the rules (Not just aimed at the Republican Party, but political parties worldwide really)
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level 74
Jun 10, 2018
True. But if you have a functioning democracy in a country where your party enjoys popular support by the majority, you can spend less time worrying about undermining that democracy and more time focused on addressing policy.
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level 71
Jun 10, 2018
Agree totally Kal.
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level 63
Jun 9, 2018
No Republican has won the presidency without Ohio
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level 56
Jun 9, 2018
Ohio has also, I believe, chosen the winner in every presidential election since the Second World War, with the exception of 1960 (when it voted for Nixon).
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level 52
Jun 9, 2018
Technically, shouldn't Maine-2 be on here. At least you should put it filled in.
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level 71
Jun 9, 2018
The original version of this quiz was Electoral Votes that Shifted to Trump (which included Maine as an answer); when Dan gave it a star he tweaked it to States that Shifted To Trump, and Maine dropped off.
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