Anyplace that gave us that horrible sprouty-named (but not particularly sprouty-LIKE) vegetable is clearly Satan incarnate. (EDITED TO ADD: Although they get a lot of love and leeway from me for their chocolate. Mmmm.)
You guys get it. Too bad the rest of the world is still blind to Belgium's crimes. When will they learn that 90% of everything that is wrong with the world is because of Belgium!
Such a pity that many of these people listed are originally refugees (so called) that have been welcomed into a foreign country and benefit from the services and opportunities of these host countries and then........ turn around and join those that would bring those countries down. About the best argument against immigration one could imagine.
It isn't a good argument against immigration. The vast majority of immigrants do not join ISIS. Not letting people leave their country because there is a tiny probability they might subsequently join ISIS (which they might have done anyway) is ridiculous. There are loads of MUCH better arguments against immigration. And they're mostly not even very good.
There are 16.3 million immigrants in Germany...915 of them joined ISIS (if you assume every single German ISIS member is an immigrant). That's .0056% of German immigrants. Don't get me wrong. I don't want any country accepting even one ISIS member, but if "the best argument against immigration one could imagine" is that there is a 1-in-20,000 chance they might become a terrorist, then the case against immigration blows.
They never have numbers for how many were already affiliated with terrorist organizations, only the ones they catch going back and returning. They use EU countries like a safe house for leave. Lets not forget that ISIS isn't the only organization these dudes are affiliated with.
I'm not disputing that very bad people come to countries that welcome them and then try to do terrible things, and I understand the importance of strict immigration policies. I was more aggrieved at the appalling logic of "there should be no immigration because an infinitesimal number of immigrants end up being terrorists." Pointing to the absolute worst of any sample size is no way to make a fair assessment of cost vs. benefit. It's just a stupid way to think. I'm not weighing in on the immigration/terrorism debate per se on a quiz website. I was taking issue with the terrible reasoning that Malbaby seemed to think was ironclad.
Germany could solve this problem by not allowing men age 18-35 as refugees. The vast majority of violence is committed by young men, who also happen to be the largest group of Germany's refugee population.
18-35 year old men are the largest group because a) they're the most likely to survive the trip and b) because they're considered most likely to be able to secure employment and housing to then bring their families over later. These people aren't arriving by Interrail, it's not an easy journey.
Begs the question though, are these really "refugees", i.e. people fleeing a war or persecution, or are they coming here for entirely different reasons, such as economic ones? With the refugees from Ukraine these days, we see an entirely different picture: few men, many women and children. Exactly what one would expect with people fleeing a war zone.
I think it might have something to do with some Chechen jihadists who are battle hardened since the troubles with the rest of the Federation. I remember a particularly horrific hostage situation about a school in Grozny.
A number of Russian states have significant Muslim populations, because Russia's imperial expansion was largely directed at Central Asia - some of these places later became independent, like Kazakhstan or Kyrgyzstan, but there's plenty of others which remain in the Russian Federation - Chechnya, Dagestan, Tatarstan etc.
What those two said, but also look at a map and see how close Russia is to Iraq and Syria. See that part that is almost touching them? That's where Chechnya is.
Missed Azerbaijan, Lebanon, and Belgium. All crossed my mind but I ran out of time, even Belgium lol. I was trying a bunch of random ones in Europe thinking maybe some of them have a decent chance of being on here
2. Most Muslims in the USA are educated legal immigrants who are pretty modern and moderate, unlike lots of the ones who go illegally to Europe.
In addition to that, European countries after the WWs had a shortage of workers, so some of these countries imported lots of cheap labor in the past century from some Muslim majority countries. While those migrants were legal, they were poorly educated and had old-fashioned strict mentalities, so they ended up raising children with that mentality. They also lived in poor marginalized communities in segregation from the native society and almost lived in their own separate countries. So those environments were perfect for extremists to promote their ideas.
Well summarised, evo. Could not say it better. Most people are incredibly biased and blame either segregation (=the majority) OR the mentality (=minority). While in fact both are guilty.
It seems only people physically joining in Iraq and Syria count? Not other "provinces" and groups pledging allegiance as a whole but staying on ground in native countries?
I am interested, how the list would look like, if they did. I am sure Nigeria (Book Haram) or Afghanistan and Pakistan (Khorasan province) would appear on the top somewhere between Iraq and Syria themselves. In fact those branches are still active as of 2024.
The only thing still on sale is Istanbul.
2. Most Muslims in the USA are educated legal immigrants who are pretty modern and moderate, unlike lots of the ones who go illegally to Europe.
In addition to that, European countries after the WWs had a shortage of workers, so some of these countries imported lots of cheap labor in the past century from some Muslim majority countries. While those migrants were legal, they were poorly educated and had old-fashioned strict mentalities, so they ended up raising children with that mentality. They also lived in poor marginalized communities in segregation from the native society and almost lived in their own separate countries. So those environments were perfect for extremists to promote their ideas.
I am interested, how the list would look like, if they did. I am sure Nigeria (Book Haram) or Afghanistan and Pakistan (Khorasan province) would appear on the top somewhere between Iraq and Syria themselves. In fact those branches are still active as of 2024.