I didn't even think of trying Italy, France, Belgium, Austria and some other highly caffeinated european countries. Turkey is the only one (a bit) surprising.
Oh please Erdogan is in the US's pockets. All he cares about is being Sultan, that's what the Turks call him " the Sultan" most hate him.He'll do anything to keep his 1000 room mansion.
I go to Starbucks to get what I want, I don't give a damn if its' "good" or "bad" coffee, what I want is the thing that matters. Also I don't have to think if it's overpriced or not.
Also known as "top 10 countries not full of pretentious full-of-crap coffee snobs." I saw plenty of Starbucks in France and plenty of people going there to get coffee.
Well, you certainly didn't see plenty of Starbucks "in France"... You saw them in Paris where they are only concentrated. And, being a born and raised Parisian, I can guarantee you that 90% of the people you saw inside are tourists visiting Paris ;)
Yes Paris is in France and is full of tourists as explained.
How do you explain there are almost no Starbuck outside Paris in France if it is not due to the tourists going there and not the French people themselves ?
Starbuck is not dumb if they know they could earn money they would build shops everywhere, but they don't so...
French coffee is terrible. I've had a lot of it. Most cafés give you two gigantic packs of sugar for about 2 ounces of coffee. The fact that someone could dump an entire sugar pack into such a small amount of coffee and still feel the need for more reflects poorly on the quality of the underlying product.
Their hot cacao is superior. In fact everywhere in Western and even Eastern Europe the hot chocolate is actually made from cacao unlike milky swiss miss Starbucks. Why are you defending Starbucks so staunchly? It's weird. Objectively, their coffee is inferior as it's burned and they don't know how to process the beans
this is rarely much substance behind snobbery. It's as often as much about hating something popular as it is about liking something of superior quality.
Snobbish rejection counterexample: "Marseille locals fight to save a beloved McDonalds": https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/world/europe/france-marseille-mcdonalds.html
I spent a lot of time in Paris and you are right. No Parisians go to Starbucks at least not for the coffee and I doubt for anything else. Even the food is subpar. Everything has cheap ingredients it tastes and is artificial. Compare their " hot chocolate" to Paul. Paul is so far superior and Paul is the worst of France's hot chocolate lol!r. Their hot chocolate tastes like the packages in the supermarket in the US.Starbucks is a favourite among the weirdo wealthy in the US since their friends founded It so they lie and say it's good coffee. Never betray a brother even if his coffee is so bad it's criminal. It is outrageously overpriced AS And awful.
Why are they snobs just because they don't like Starbucks? People have different tastes, it's not about being snobby. I don't care, because I don't like coffee in general.
Btw, I'm not surprised you chimed in again as soon as someone else didn't like/criticised something from your precious America. Seriously, it's like you have the need to defend the US on every. damn. quiz.
Disliking something popular doesn't make you a snob. Sticking your nose up at it because it is popular (and thus "low class"), while having an exaggerated, unwarranted, loudly professed love for some allegedly superior but less mainstream other product, while condemning those who like the product for their poor taste (such as accusing them of being less cultured tourists) does make you a snob. It's the bloody definition of the word.
.... because.... ... Europe is the mainstream popular product.... and.... the USA is the smaller, less popular, less well-known, alternative.... that... "cultured" snobby people say they like to be hip?
If you're going to try to parade your bigotry out under the guise of saying something clever it might help if you were actually clever.
I am American but born in an international city so we KNOW that Starbucks is gross since NYC has authentic Italian cafes. We aren't defensive because we have tasted the best of every country. Starbucks is disgusting. After having travelled that is heir apparent.
Your coffee is better. I hate Starbucks and I'm American also no mention of how it abuses it's workers because of course that doesn't matter. A true snob defends Starbucks. People in the US see it as a status symbol to get their " whatever the new flavour is" there. You hurt their feelings. I like hot chocolate and Starbucks ' cheap milky watered down artificial imitation chocolate doesn't do It for me. Even Paul is better.
There's a lot of pretentious coffee snobs (as well as other kinds of pretentious snobs) in the U.S., too. Hipsters are everywhere, bragging about how they don't like stuff now that it's popular.
Disliking the brand, its products and its strategy does not necessarily make you a snob.
Moreover, people who go to Starbucks in Europe can be considered very snobbish too, happy to walk down the street with their 5€ cup of coffee as if they were in a TV Show.
Starbucks is very expensive here compared to what you can get in a bakery or a standard café. So I would not say it's a "popular mainstream product" (a cup of Starbucks latte is almost as expensive as a whole McDonalds combo - which is a better example of "popular mainstream product").
aka "top 10 countries not YET full-of-crap coffee snobs to be exploited by Starbucks". Starbucks coffee is a good product with a wide-ranging appeal (same as McDonalds, Burger King, KFC - you see where I'm going with this?), but it is far from being great coffee. Given a choice I'd go to an independent coffee-house every single time. Call me a snob if it satisfies your overarching need to be 'right'.
Incidentally, I'm with Bvlln above here ^, and CMJ below v
They aren't coffee snobs, Starbucks is burned cheap coffee. It is a capitalist venture alone with cheap watered down coffee. The weirdo snobs are actually people who think pumpkin spiced latte is good lol! Hilarious the lack of culture.
In coffee country (Starbucks HQ), where I live, the coffee snobs don't go to Starbucks. They go to some local coffee shop with small batch roasting and organic pastries made from local ingredients.
Starbucks isn't for coffee snobs any more, it is for people who don't know any better. With the advent of Fraps and Pumpkin Spice, Pecan Maple, and Sugar Sugar Lattes, the coffee snobs have abandoned it. Starbucks is largely a sugar delivery service and less and less about the coffee.
Starbucks is the biggest scam ever. you walk inside and order a small coffee and it ends up costing you a fortune! starbucks tastes awful and looks like crap. i live in USA and the only starbucks i know is infested by white girls who post every starbucks they get on instagram or snapchat. way to go starbucks.
Starbucks is what it is, retail chains tend to lose their cool factor as they grow. There will always be something "cooler" or "more authentic" or what have you.
I guess that's why the world has snobs and hipsters, to figure all that stuff out for us, so the rest of us don't waste our time worrying about it.
I got everything but Turkey. Count me among those who tried Indonesia.
Interestingly, one of the best examples of failed business attempts was Starbucks to Australia where they didn't do their research on the market. The post WW2 immigrants from Italy, France, Greece, UK, the US themselves and local Australians meant the market was already so competitive Starbucks in Australia collapsed really quickly.
A point of pride for our country, I think, at risk of being called a snob. I think Australia has one of the best developed coffee cultures in the world.
Yes. You try to explain that their coffee is not good but people who haven't tasted good coffee accuse you of being a snob instead of a tasteful(pun intended) person.
We had a HUGE coffee culture up until the nineteenth century. That was the drink you'd have associated with England at the height of the Enlightenment, and the coffeehouses were famous throughout Europe. Kind of sad to see how far we've fallen really.
Lots of comments about the quality of Starbucks' coffee, huh...
Well, you can get other types of beverage and food there other than plain coffee. Though I come from a country (Brazil) with a whole different coffee culture, one that Starbucks struggled and ultimately failed to adapt, I find its other products quite nice even if very pricey for brazilian standards. I remember going there specifically for its ice coffee with vanilla or something like that. Quite good. But for plain coffee we already have a lot of good options in our cities and even in our rural areas.
I also liked its atmosphere and decoration, shame it didn't worked out here.
My local Starbucks proudly displays an enormous sign that says that “99% of our coffee beans are ethically sourced!” I find this a little worrying because this must mean that 1% of their coffee is unethically sourced. Which seems OK, until you realise that they have annual revenue of £36billion (2023) which means that they make £360million from unethically sourced coffee beans. Not great, although I guess it depends on how they define the word ‘unethical.’
It's absolutely terrible coffee. I'm always grateful they are almost non-existent here (Australia) because our local barista coffee absolutely rocks compared to that watered down overly sweetened over price rubbish.
How do you explain there are almost no Starbuck outside Paris in France if it is not due to the tourists going there and not the French people themselves ?
Starbuck is not dumb if they know they could earn money they would build shops everywhere, but they don't so...
Many, many people agree with me.
Don't even get me started on Belgium.
Btw, I'm not surprised you chimed in again as soon as someone else didn't like/criticised something from your precious America. Seriously, it's like you have the need to defend the US on every. damn. quiz.
If you're going to try to parade your bigotry out under the guise of saying something clever it might help if you were actually clever.
More generally, your many comments here are not impressive in the way you seem to think they are.
Moreover, people who go to Starbucks in Europe can be considered very snobbish too, happy to walk down the street with their 5€ cup of coffee as if they were in a TV Show.
Starbucks is very expensive here compared to what you can get in a bakery or a standard café. So I would not say it's a "popular mainstream product" (a cup of Starbucks latte is almost as expensive as a whole McDonalds combo - which is a better example of "popular mainstream product").
Incidentally, I'm with Bvlln above here ^, and CMJ below v
Starbucks isn't for coffee snobs any more, it is for people who don't know any better. With the advent of Fraps and Pumpkin Spice, Pecan Maple, and Sugar Sugar Lattes, the coffee snobs have abandoned it. Starbucks is largely a sugar delivery service and less and less about the coffee.
As quoted from their website
I guess that's why the world has snobs and hipsters, to figure all that stuff out for us, so the rest of us don't waste our time worrying about it.
I got everything but Turkey. Count me among those who tried Indonesia.
There is one Starbucks for every 22,000 Americans.
But there is one Starbucks for every 16,000 Canadians.
US has one roughly every 238sqmi
Well, you can get other types of beverage and food there other than plain coffee. Though I come from a country (Brazil) with a whole different coffee culture, one that Starbucks struggled and ultimately failed to adapt, I find its other products quite nice even if very pricey for brazilian standards. I remember going there specifically for its ice coffee with vanilla or something like that. Quite good. But for plain coffee we already have a lot of good options in our cities and even in our rural areas.
I also liked its atmosphere and decoration, shame it didn't worked out here.
No hate for you coming from Brazil, Starbucks.
Better luck next time!