How do you fill the "Countries Visited Map"?

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What countries to count in as visited?

Have you filled the "Coutries Visited Map"? Seeing the countries light up in green is as interesting for oneself as it can be for others.

However, I started to wonder about a few points:

1. Should countries count where I just had a stop-over flight and never left the airport? If yes, I could add three more countries (UAE, Turkey and Greece) to my list.

2. Also, I crossed Slovakia by train on the way to and from Budapest. Again, I didn't actually set foot on the ground, but was not in a closed international area of an airport. Should this count as visited? Maybe it could help, if there was a way to indicate the length of a visit, e.g. by lighter or darker coloring.

3. Talking about quantity in the previous point, the next question is obviously the quality of a visit:

Have you been to a holiday resort just enjoying the beach or did you talk to locals and learn about their culture? Did you work or study abroad? That's probably too much for a two-dimensional map, but certainly would be interesting.


What do you think? How did you fill the map?

29 Comments
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Level 68
Oct 4, 2023
What I say is that if you've been within their borders (excluding airspace), you've visited.
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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
You mean flying over a country doesn't count, but landing at the airport, even when not leaving it, counts?

I wish there was a way to count it as half, as you can already get a few impressions being, even when it's just a glimpse.

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Level 66
Oct 4, 2023
If you entered the borders of the nation and touched the ground, it should count. So UAE, Turkey, and Greece should count. Not sure about Slovakia, though I'd likely include it.

Mine includes United States, Canada, Mexico, Honduras, Belize, Brazil, Russia, Kazakhstan, Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Austria, Spain, Portugal, Romania, Morocco, South Africa, Malaysia, Japan, Singapore, and Australia, and of course, Armenia, my birth country. I don't share your predicament as I have set foot in all of those countries.

UAE sounds delightful, I'd love to go there and to Qatar and Bahrain someday.

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Level 68
Oct 4, 2023
My dad goes to Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and Qatar fairly often for work and says they are the most bland, oppressive, and soul-crushingly fake places on Earth. Nothing has developed, it's all just skyscrapers propped up in the desert. He also wasn't allowed to take pictures in half the places he went, and of course a lot of places are restricted for non-Muslims.

Supposedly the malls and food are nice, though. I've never been there.

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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
Flying towards Dubai airport and seeing all the skyscrapers was truly amazing. The airport was impressive by size and worked pretty well. Don't know how it is once you step outside.
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Level 67
Oct 4, 2023
1. No, otherwise I'd include Qatar

2. No, otherwise I'd include Belgium

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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
I agree and didn't include them.

Just curious whether other people would.

Some countries (like Qatar in your case or UAE in my case) probably would be appear as visited much more, if stop-over counted.

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Level 59
Oct 4, 2023
Really, it's all up to you what you count as visiting a country. Personally I feel like you should do something in a country to consider it "visited", but again it's all your call.
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Level 50
Oct 4, 2023
Like, at least eat a meal
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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
In Dubai (and another time Abu Dhabi), I had a meal - but at the airport. :-) Still, it was somehow typical as there wasn't pork on the menu and they served "turkey bacon" on a Hamburger.

But yes, agreeing with Insaniot that you should do something to consider a country visited and just eating there is probably good enough - however, for me personally, I want to leave the airport to feel that I was really there.

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Level 73
Oct 4, 2023
Have to agree with Insaniot, it all depends on how you define to "visit" a country.

As for my opinions, I'll explain with an example. Consider that I am flying to London.

1. If my flight lands at Dubai for a few minutes before continuing on to London, I would say that I have not visited the UAE.

2. If I had to change flights (for which I must deboard my first flight and walk on the airport floor and then board the second flight), I would say that I have visited the UAE. If someone asks me what cities I have been to there, only then I'd specify that I've been to the Dubai airport and not any cities.

3. If I had to stay in the airport for a long period of time (layover or stopover), I'd again say that I have been to the UAE.

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Level 73
Oct 4, 2023
Regarding your second point, I'm unable to think because I have never experienced such a situation and also the fact that international trains are rarity outside of Europe.

For your third point, I think talking to locals isn't really necessary as a defining point for having visited a country.

Those are my opinions and it might differ from you and others. It's your choice, after all.

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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
Indeed, we all chose ourselves, how strict we do our counting. Spending some time at the airport in between flights can give you an impression of the country, but for now, I will not count it for myself as having visited the country.

About the talking to locals: Maybe it is not necessary to count a country as visited, but it serves as an indicator, because it is hard to visit a country for a while and not to talk to locals.

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Level 74
Oct 4, 2023
I usually consider "stepping foot" somewhere as counting, with the exception of airports.

This could mean that if you say ran across a border and back immediately, that by my system it would indeed count.

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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
Hm, yeah, I think I'll agree. I crossed some borders for really short time, although I didn't run back immediately, but spent like half an hour or more. However, in most cases this was a country, I visited before or again, so I didn't need to think about whether to count it.
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Level 78
Oct 4, 2023
I don't count flying over, but travelling through is OK. The majority of my countries were visited with work. I am a truck driver and spent around 10 years driving between the UK and Europe and beyond. Some of the more far flung locations were holidays.

Although I have been to all of Europe, there are lots of places I haven't seen. I was mostly delivering and collecting and an industrial estate in Moscow looks very similar to an industrial estate in Milan or Manchester. I did however interact with lots of "normal" people and got a pretty good insight into life in those countries.

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Level 65
Oct 4, 2023
Wow, you must have lots of experiences, even when it might not always be the touristic places that you saw. However, the interesting thing is that - by working in other countries - you met people with same or similar professions in each country. That way you can see the differences in cultures better than in touristic situations when you meet e.g. museum guide in one country and a scuba diving teacher in another.
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Level 78
Oct 5, 2023
Exactly, although I did get to go to lots of tourist areas too, especially when on weekend downtime.

I've lost count of the amount of times I have been to Venice for example. I used to always try and park nearby. If you ever go there, don't use the restaurants on the main canals, seek out the back street ones that the locals use, much better food and much cheaper prices!

Almost all of this was over 20 years ago, from 1989 to 1999. Some of the forays into Eastern Europe were before the fall of the Berlin Wall and the break up of the USSR.

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Level 65
Oct 6, 2023
Thanks for the hint about Venice. I've been there once as a child for a day and would like to go again for a longer visit. I think you're right: When it comes to restaurants, often locals know the best places. Although last few holidays, I was relying either on Lonely Planet or luck and didn't ask anybody for a recommendation.
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Level 75
Oct 4, 2023
We have only been to 18 countries by the definition of some, but we include in our map all the layovers, jet fuel stops, etc, which adds up to 23
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Level 65
Oct 6, 2023
Interesting, that's a different approach from mine. But good to know that people have different views on counting countries.

Btw. are you planning to visit any of the countries where you just stopped, but didn't visit, yet? (For me, I can tell that all the countries, I don't count so far, I hope to really visit in the future.)

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Level 64
Oct 14, 2023
I've had 4 layovers in Guangzhou, some lasting almost 24 hours. Although I never did leave the airport, I chose to include it on my Countries map. However, a one-hour quick stop in Hobart I didn't include. Ultimately, I think it is up to you.
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Level 65
Oct 14, 2023
Did you know beforehand that the layover would last almost 24 hours or was the flight delayed? With so much time, I would have gone out and into the city (also because that long time at an airport can be pretty tough). But that is me and in the end, it's a personal decision and depending on the nationality, you might even need a visa to leave the airport. Anyway, I can understand that you include it in your list after multiple stays.
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Level 70
Nov 14, 2023
China's visa policy makes it impractical for most Western nationalities to leave the airport, even on a long layover.
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Level 65
Nov 15, 2023
I didn't know that. Very unfortunate. Have to keep in mind, once I plan a visit to China. Thanks!
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Level 70
Nov 15, 2023
An interesting blog which raises a good discussion,

Personally, I don't consider airport layovers as visiting a country on my travel map, however they do provide a sort of sample of the country itself. So far I have visited only the airports of three 'countries', India, Hong Kong and Denmark.

The airport in Delhi was interesting, it was a little rough around the edges, but overall I had a smooth transit. Instrumental versions of Bollywood songs were playing in the background, and flying out of Delhi I could see many apartments below in the night.

Hong Kong had so many tall buildings, and lots of security. I can't remember if Hong Kong is its own entity on the Jetpunk map, but I stayed in Mainland China for a month already.

Copenhagen airport gave me a very good impression of Denmark. Everything was clean and much more efficient than most Canadian airports I've been too.

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Level 70
Nov 15, 2023
As for travelling through a country, but not setting foot on the ground, this is a difficult question. I would almost certainly consider this as 'visiting' a country, especially if you are driving and interacting with road infrastructure. However, if you are travelling through a smaller European country on a sleeper train, with no tangible interaction with the country, it feels a little like a technicality at this point. I would probably still include it.
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Level 65
Nov 19, 2023
In case of Slovakia, I was really just sitting in the train. Not sleeping, but not leaving the train either. So, I don't count it for now, but leave it as an open task for myself. In case of Poland, I crossed it twice by bus, but each time there was one (or more) stop(s) of half an hour when I could walk around, buy some food or drinks and have a quick look. Still, I count it mainly, because I had a "real" visit later on, even though it was a short one.
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Level 65
Nov 19, 2023
Thanks, I like how you describe an airport as a "sort of sample" of a country. I totally agree. You can not only see shops with local goods of a country, but they reflect in general the spirit of a country. (Or maybe how they would like to present themselves to the world?) For sure you will see a lot of local people - even in airports that serve mainly as a hub for international connections.

I haven't been to the UAE, yet, but the airports in Dubai and Abu Dhabi gave kind of a preview.