Pretty silly to mandate that people believe any man is infallible. Popes, cardinals, messiahs, inventors of deities, and anonymous authors of questionably collated and translated ancient books included.
Yes. But... I'm a "lapsed catholic" and to be fair, Papal infallibility is one of the most misunderstood RC beliefs. It doesn't mean the pope is always right or that he's good and does no wrong, what it means is that he is "divinely" protected in his role as head of the Church on earth.
I've been wrong and I readily admit to it when I am, loganite. For many years I was a devout, practicing Christian, for example. Do you want to admit that those other people I listed are also capable of being wrong now? Or are you more comfortable strawmanning me and being a hypocrite?
teke: but... that divine protection refers to how the divine ensures that when the Pope makes an official decree, he is right. So.. it actually does mean the Pope is always right (when making official decrees). How else do you think the divine is protecting the Pope? It's not from bullets, or there would be no Popemobile.
Clearly I'm right here, and you're wrong. We can see that from the empirical evidence of my six likes to your three, and my level 75 to your measly 72. Joking aside, my point remains the same...just because you say something is silly, doesn't mean it is. You can no more prove that man invented deity than someone else can prove deity invented man.
So your position is that it's reasonable to assert that human beings can be infallible. Just to be clear, that is what I said that you are disagreeing with and that you people are getting upset about this time.
Big bad evil Kal... had the hubris to suggest that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes!! Oh man! That makes me so MAD! Can't wait to see him get his come uppance! As soon as someone replies just to insult him I'm going to upvote it!
According to Catholic dogma, the Pope can make infallible statements (that are never wrong), but only when he states that what he is saying is infallible. Only one statement has actually been made in this way, and it was that the Virgin Mary was assumed bodily into heaven (by Pope Pius XII in 1950). However the Vatican has also decided that when John Paul II said in 1994 that priests have to be men, his statement was infallible even though he didn't say so. Still, this is obviously two more statements than the number of genuinely infallible statements ever made by anyone.
I thought Lateran too but I looked it up and it seems that's just his place in a different part of town - presumably for when he gets too drunk to drive home.
I think the term "popemobile" came into use with the creation of a bulletproof vehicle, after the assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II. I remember at the time, as a young Protestant teen, I thought it was a pretty cool name - one of the little things that helped create a more personal connection between that pope and the people.
Ugh, couldn't recall the English term for the guards, and somehow my eyes skipped right over the conclave question. I think I would have gotten that one. Some cool facts in there.
I have that problem of just not seeing questions sometimes. It's caused me to miss a few that I definitely know the answers to... not this time, though.
Shouldn't Bergoglio and Ratzinger be acceptable answers for #1 and #4? They still are the same person. Just asking because I can never remember the German's papal name. I couldn't even do it when he was the pope.
teke: but... that divine protection refers to how the divine ensures that when the Pope makes an official decree, he is right. So.. it actually does mean the Pope is always right (when making official decrees). How else do you think the divine is protecting the Pope? It's not from bullets, or there would be no Popemobile.
Big bad evil Kal... had the hubris to suggest that people aren't perfect and can make mistakes!! Oh man! That makes me so MAD! Can't wait to see him get his come uppance! As soon as someone replies just to insult him I'm going to upvote it!