^ yeah not so much. Those American troops in the UK are still there from the last time the British Isles were under threat of invasion and they very much needed help defending them. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only time I believe US military has been in Israel was during the Gulf War (which Israel was not a party to) to shoot down SCUD missiles and afterward they left. Anyway it's a popular misconception that the Israeli military is somehow an extension of the American military but it's simply not the case. They get their hardware from a variety of places, they are capable of being fully self-sufficient, and though the two countries share intelligence; cooperate on R&D, logistics, and counter-terrorism; and regularly perform joint training exercises, no American personnel have ever been involved in any Israeli war. But a lot of people think they have been.
When did the Americans help defend the UK? We helped the US invade mainland Europe from British shores. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad of the American support but we havnt been invaded since Hitler tried and that was before Pearl Harbor.
The US Navy unofficially became involved in late 1939. They started mostly by supplying the British and also shadowing and reporting positions of German U-boats. US Navy vessels patrolled and kept open the Western Atlantic freeing up the Royal Navy to focus on the East. In 1940 the US signed a mutual defense pact with Canada and later the Lend/Lease program began to replace British losses while the USN still protected British shipping in the North + West Atlantic. In '41 US ports began accepting British ships for repairs. In April '41 a US destroyer attacked a German U-boat in the North Atlantic. Soon after US military bases for destroyers and seaplanes were opened in Ireland and Scotland. American involvement rapidly increased from there. An American pilot spotted the Bismarck and Americans were involved in many other naval battles. US ground troops secured Greenland and Iceland. American GIs started landing in the UK in '42, after the official declaration of war.
and I didn't say you were invaded I said "the last time the British Isles were under threat of invasion." If Britain had lost control of the seas they would have been cut off and eventually invaded, too. But US support and mutual defense extended back many years prior to Pearl Harbor.
I'm not trying to say that the British were weak or bad at defending themselves, just that the American involvement in the defense of Britain during WW2 was much more direct - involving direct engagement of US military vessels, opening of US military bases on British soil, and loss of American lives - than in any defense of Israel against invasion that has ever taken place. That was the whole point. The US has given Israel money and equipment; never troops or bases.
The United forces of axis Europe was an entirely different beast to the alliances Israel has had to face down though. Push comes to shove, American (and probably British) troops would be on the ground and Israel's enemies know it.
nafe: maybe, though I actually kind of doubt it. But so far, there has never been a need for it, as like I said, the IDF defends its own country. In some alternate reality where they had to fight Hitler and the Japanese Empire, then, yeah, they probably would need help. :P
This job has been outsourced to the coming Israelis when the “little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism” has been conceptualised in 1917.
2,976 actually. Currently deployed and actively stationed there. This includes reservists that are currently on active status.
The wikipedia page you pulled your numbers from states in the references that these are "permenantly assigned" to these locations. However this does not reflect the true military presence in these countries.
That's just some random webpage. But, credit where it's due, they post their source. What is their source? The same as our source, only 4 years out of date.
Where did you see them? Officially, the US has no troops in Saudi Arabia. Unofficially, I think they maintain at least one air base somewhere around Riyadh. But... it's pretty low-profile and I personally never saw any US servicemen in Saudi Arabia over the course of the six years I was living there. Saw tons in Bahrain, though. The Americans I saw in the Kingdom were almost all teachers or in the oil industry.
I am waiting for quiz showing how many Innocent people all arund the world lost their lives because of USA and their lust for crude oil and other natural resources
They can argue as much as they like and they would still be wrong. It's kind of funny you even bring up Yugoslavia. I'd encourage you to read about what actually happened there. And Hiroshima/Nagasaki since I did say since 1945. There was no hegemony prior to 1945, thus, WW2. Thanks for making my point for me.
I would suppose that Xenon would argue that nobody would have died in the civil wars in Korea, Vietnam, Libya, or Syria if the United States had not become involved- opposing factions would have put their differences aside and held hands with one another in perfect harmony. You know, just like everyone did in Yugoslavia during its breakup.... Oh, wait! Never mind!
The bombings of Nagasaki and Hiroshima saved millions of lives. Including probably my grandfather's who was training for a very high risk position in the planned invasion of the Japanese mainlands. In fact, so many purple hearts were produced by the U.S. military for that planned invasion that we are still using those purple hearts today. But U.S. casualties would have paled in comparison to the millions of Japanese who would have died. And let's not forget the millions of people in the rest of Asia under Japanese occupation who would have died as well.
There are reasons to oppose dropping the bomb in WWII, but saving lives is not one of them.
QM, with respect, that's the propagandistic reason cooked up by the US for dropping the bombs after the fact to create a rationale for using such horrible weapons. The Japanese had already tried to surrender before the bombs were even dropped. It was a straight up war crime and didn't save anyone's life. But it did kill hundreds of thousands of civilians needlessly.
Make no mistake: If the United States had not actively participated in the reconstruction of western Europe and made its military might available to be the cornerstone of the NATO alliance, the Soviet Union would have surged much further than they did with the Warsaw Pact. Without a coordinated, American-backed alliance, do you REALLY think that the "Iron Curtain" would have been where Stalin decided to voluntarily stop increasing his sphere of influence?
We'd probably have been looking at an occupation of most of Europe, perhaps some really bloody wars followed by some very nasty insurgencies. Genocide in the Balkans and Israel. Brutal invasions/insurgencies/civil wars/ethnic cleansing in South Korea and Taiwan. and East Timor. and Africa, worse than what we've seen anyway. A prolonged Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. Possible nuclear war between Pakistan and India, or the USSR and some other less powerful nation. Multiple European invasions of the Americas, if you want to roll the clock back that far. But the biggest thing would be that in a world with no global hegemon and many competing nation-states with roughly comparable military strengths you end up in a situation where large-scale protracted and indecisive multi-national wars are likely to occur, a la WW1 and WW2. Taking away the nation at the top just creates a power vacuum that will be filled, and a lot of instability.
@kal's first reply: The thing with hegemons is that they always vanish sooner or later. When that day comes for the US, presumably China will be the new hegemon for some decades to centuries. Accordingly, whoever is hegemon should do their best to advance the executive power of the United Nations (or alike). Because otherwise your world war 3 could come or at least does the former hegemon bend his knee to the new one.
Cuba tricked my up due to the territorial control and jurisdiction! I forgot it was still recognized as sovereign Cuban territory on a perpetual lease...
The US said that following the conflict between India and China, they moved troops from Germany into India and other US-allied South and East Asian Countries.
If you read Mearsheimer then you'll realize why USA has troops in the majority of the continents. The international system drives big states to chase the Hegemony, and oh boy the US did that.
Interesting how none of these countries even remotely pose a threat to our freedom, yet conservatives label us as unpatriotic when we question the bloated budget the military has. The military only draws us apart instead of helping us to come together as a species and achieve peace
We currently HAVE peace. War is the natural state of humanity. I think people tend to not realize just how peaceful of a time we are living in right now because they point to regional violence here and there. If you strive for perfection, you will always be let down. Less than 100 years ago, countries straight up invading other countries was literally an everyday occurrence. And now, it barely happens. One of the reasons that it barely happens are strong military alliances. And part of that military alliance, is the presence of soldiers from the strongest military on the planet. Yeah, the military budget is probably too high, I agree. But I also believe that peace through strength is a very real thing, but only if the strong aren't the aggressors. If you believe that the US ARE the aggressors, that's a very different debate.
You seem to think we're in these countries to scare them out of "threatening our freedom." We don't post troops in these countries because we're worried these countries are going to come at us. In every case except Cuba, we are in these countries with their permission. We are in these countries for the strategic value of their locations, so we can defend against or go to into *other* countries should the need arise.
uh. yeah. What do you think the troops are doing in these places? Were you under the impression all of these countries were being actively invaded? Arguably excluding Cuba, all of these places host US troops that were invited to come there. Several of them actually are threatened by Russian and Chinese expansionism. Others are worried about Iran, North Korea, ISIS or the Taleban.
Invited? To Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan? If you invade a country and the new government you support wants you to stay there, that doesn't make you an occupier? Are you for real?
P.S. Yes, I am very well aware these were/are dictatorships. Yet, there are dozens of other dictatorships around the globe that the US actively support or at least tolerate. I live in a dictatorship, and my government has full US support. So, in the end, it's the American interests that matter, not "fighting for freedom" or some similar bullshit.
You seem like such a nice fellow, and from all I have read from you, I really want to give you a friendly advice: do some tests for narcissistic personality disorder, you don't have to tell anyone about it, just check it, please, you may be surprised by the results...
Think this is a bit out of date e.g. putting troops in TW, leaving Afghanistan. Is Diego Garcia included in the UK? As should be Mauritius given UN ruling. Really interesting quiz though and thank you :)
Surprised by a few absences on here - I know several people who are or have been stationed in Thailand, the Philippines, Djibouti, and Australia but none of them make an appearance. Guess there just aren't enough there?
The US military left Thailand in 1976 (though I think it continued being a popular place to go and stop for R&R long after that), and the Philippines in 1992. The presence in Australia is relatively small; the odd absence of Djibouti (sometimes appearing on the quiz, sometimes not) is discussed above.
Yeah I think the difference here is permanent personnel vs just places we go - ships still make frequent stops in the Philippines but mostly it’s only for a few days or weeks and because of that it doesn’t show up in these statistics.
At https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/2979096/biden-thanks-us-troops-in-poland-for-their-sacrifices-service/ there's a DOD press release that predates by 6 days the date in the quiz's subtitle and that says there are over 100,000 in Europe.
Well, Putin has made all this simultaneously seem not quite so bad and completely unnecessary. Russia's conventional military is barely managing to gain ground in Ukraine. How do we think it would do in Poland?
I'm sure that the Polish would prefer simply to not find out. They are one of the most outspoken advocates for US military presence in Europe and have been for decades. As surprisingly resilient as Ukraine has proven to be, as capable and brave as their leaders and soldiers have proven, all that comes as little consolation to the current or former residents of Mariupol.
Am i the only one who see all these comments and find that funny?
1. I think Quizmaster knew numbers would change with time when he did that quiz… so you don’t have to say it every time there is a deployment!!!
2. Arguing is all about listening, many of you are just arguing alone… you must include an answer to the previous opinion to have a good argument (for exemple: I agree with the fact that… but i think…) because all of you aren’t even arguing on the same subject 😂, you know, there are some rules when you argue with someone, you have to understand his point well and to listen well before to answer, then make sure your answer has something to do with the previous one!
3. Opinions can change you know, if nobody changes his opinion after an argument, well it doesn’t deserve anything… That’s why you constantly have to reconsider your point of view!
Now apply this and i’m sure the comments will be way more exciting!👍
There’s a difference between temporary deployments and permanent personnel - I know that’s the case for the Baltics and the Philippines at the very least.
Hey, a number of people have commented on the fact that Djibouti seems to be missing from this list, but no one has addressed those comments. The U.S.'s Camp Lemonnier is located on the south side of Djibouti's airport. I've seen the American flag there.
According to Reuters there are 2500 US troops in Iraq and 900 in Syria. Wouldn't it be better to include these estimates as answers, rather than to omit them altogether?
US bases in Iraq and Syria have been in the news due to them being targeted by Iranian proxies; 2,500 in Iraq and 500 in Syria. This is quite low effort of you, QM.
People despise the US for behaving exactly as a great world power should behave. When you have predominance over such a vast portion of the world as the US does, you begin to behave in ways to advance your best interest. The expansion of US hard and soft influence after WW2 is a direct realization of this from US policy makers. Originating with the NSC 68 memo, US foreign policy became aggressive - leading to both direct military interventions and the creation of military bases around key areas of the world.
The key to all of this is that this is a behavior that is shared among all nations at the top of the world power hierarchy. The Europeans arguing about US imperialism from their studio apartment in dilapidated urban centers would be the first to support their country acting like the US if their nation rose to the top of the global order. The distaste for the US is simply frustration that their countrymen are not as powerful globally.
Shouldn't Kosovo be listed? They have a huge American base (Bondsteel) and they have a presence at Camp Film City and other places (over 700 US troops in total)
I'm not trying to say that the British were weak or bad at defending themselves, just that the American involvement in the defense of Britain during WW2 was much more direct - involving direct engagement of US military vessels, opening of US military bases on British soil, and loss of American lives - than in any defense of Israel against invasion that has ever taken place. That was the whole point. The US has given Israel money and equipment; never troops or bases.
The wikipedia page you pulled your numbers from states in the references that these are "permenantly assigned" to these locations. However this does not reflect the true military presence in these countries.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/u-s-military-personnel-deployments-country/
There are reasons to oppose dropping the bomb in WWII, but saving lives is not one of them.
but forgot to protect themselves.
P.S. Yes, I am very well aware these were/are dictatorships. Yet, there are dozens of other dictatorships around the globe that the US actively support or at least tolerate. I live in a dictatorship, and my government has full US support. So, in the end, it's the American interests that matter, not "fighting for freedom" or some similar bullshit.
1. I think Quizmaster knew numbers would change with time when he did that quiz… so you don’t have to say it every time there is a deployment!!!
2. Arguing is all about listening, many of you are just arguing alone… you must include an answer to the previous opinion to have a good argument (for exemple: I agree with the fact that… but i think…) because all of you aren’t even arguing on the same subject 😂, you know, there are some rules when you argue with someone, you have to understand his point well and to listen well before to answer, then make sure your answer has something to do with the previous one!
3. Opinions can change you know, if nobody changes his opinion after an argument, well it doesn’t deserve anything… That’s why you constantly have to reconsider your point of view!
Now apply this and i’m sure the comments will be way more exciting!👍
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/1/27/us-iraq-begin-formal-talks-on-withdrawing-us-led-military-coalition
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/what-are-us-troops-doing-middle-east-where-are-they-2024-01-30/#:~:text=The%20U.S.%20has%20roughly%20900,as%20the%20Al%20Tanf%20garrison.
The key to all of this is that this is a behavior that is shared among all nations at the top of the world power hierarchy. The Europeans arguing about US imperialism from their studio apartment in dilapidated urban centers would be the first to support their country acting like the US if their nation rose to the top of the global order. The distaste for the US is simply frustration that their countrymen are not as powerful globally.