The point is there is obviously no systematic policy to eliminate or even reduce the non-Jewish population of Israel, Gaza, or the West Bank, in spite of widespread belief to the contrary. What's taking place there could be called oppression, repression, in some cases arguably murder, but not a Holocaust or genocide.
Sure there are different factions in Israel that attempt to marginalize the claims of other factions... that much has been going on for thousands of years. Not really the same thing. Well... sometimes it escalates into the same thing. But... not recently.
On the other hand, both I and the quiz *are* pro-fact, pro-reason, pro-rationalism, and pro-logic. I am generally against any conspiracy theories or widely held beliefs that have been repeatedly and soundly debunked. Where I live, I meet a lot of people on a regular basis who believe in such things, and I've even seen them reported in the local newspapers.
If there were some widely circulated and believed conspiracy theories about Palestinians or Arabs then I would include those, but I honestly couldn't think of any.
Yes, you do seem to have trouble hearing what I'm saying. On this point we are in total agreement.
"no recognition from you"
because none is needed. This quiz is not about the wrongness of people's suffering. The quiz is about widely believed falsehoods that are easily disproven.
"you need to understand the truth"
"you say x but you don't say y"
Does that make x untrue? No.
"All you do is reinforce stereotypes"
Sometimes stereotypes are true. I live in Saudi Arabia. I talk to people every day about these issues and read the local newspapers. I know what they think here. I haven't mischaracterized anybody. The only thing I claimed Jews were the victims of was prejudice and slander (misconceptions), which is documented fact and should not be controversial. I made no argument or political point beyond this. You are the one trying to extend it into something else.
Trust me, I know the facts. I can talk all day about Middle East history. I can list year by year the inhabitants, rulers and demographics of the Levant for the past 3500 years from memory. I know exactly which peoples have been displaced. This is all completely irrelevant to my quiz above. Again, you're trying to turn it into something it's not.
"so quit perpetuating the lies"
I'm trying to do exactly that. :o) Thank you for the encouragement.
"Israel... is WRONG. Say it once."
I will not. This quiz is about facts. Not judgments. I am happy to discuss facts, but you are 1) implying I've made a judgment which I have not, and 2) demanding that I make and declare the opposite judgment. I'm not going to do that. It's not that I'm shying away from the discussion, I just don't feel that this is the appropriate place to have that particular discussion.
My favorite question is "the one true and correct religion is.... none of the above".
If you come back and read these comments, if you will oblige my curiosity... was there something about the above quiz that you found insulting? Apart from the admittedly-provocative title and description?
This answer makes a statement as though it is fact that Christianity is not the true and correct religion. This answer is your opinion and is not based on fact.
Anyway, this is insulting to Christians and Muslims, because it is an attempt to belittle us and our beliefs. It is no secret from your comments and questions that you especially hate the idea of Christianity. In many quizzes on this site you go out of your way to try and make fools out of Christians and their beliefs. How about you leave your opinions on religion out of it altogether?
Incidentally, your assumptions about me are off the mark. I take it that you are Christian, and I assume that something in the past that I've said you took personally. I assure you it wasn't intended that way. I could explain why, but probably you would just be further offended by my explanation. Anyway, I don't have any special hate for Christians or for you.
2. If it were a religion, then why wouldn't the question apply to the religion of Atheism as well? Why would you make a special exception for one religion when the answer clearly states that there are none?
3. You can accept the fact that all religions make equally specious claims about reality and still believe in "God" or a god. Whether or not you are an atheist is actually somewhat irrelevant to this question. I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on all the points you have raised. but, thank you for stopping by. I honestly do appreciate all feedback. :) and I'm happy you enjoyed the rest of the quiz.
The neutral position that I'm referring to is one that accepts any claim supported by sufficient evidence, and denies those that are very poorly supported, not in any way agreed upon, and often self-contradictory. You can say that it's not agreed upon that Scientology is inaccurate because there are a lot of people that believe in it- but it is actually agreed upon amongst those who are consistently applying the same standard of proof, evidence and logic to every belief system. I have personal beliefs that I could have put in this quiz but I did not because I realize that some of my personal beliefs are not objectively verifiable, they are just opinions. This quiz is not about atheism or religion. It's about objectivity.
Mormonism is the one true and correct religion and all other religions are wrong.
Which is, of course, what Mormons believe. Is this statement true? Can it be supported by anything? Are the arguments Mormons make any more convincing than those of Scientologists or Branch Davidians? Isn't it less offensive to admit that it is not true and not supported than to say that it might be true, or worse, that it is? To claim it is a true statement would mean saying that the arguments made by Mormons, which are identical to the arguments made by all other religions, are superior to those same arguments. It doesn't make sense, it shows clear bias, and it is offensive to say that.
The same is true if you substitute Islam, Hinduism, or any other religion in the space for Mormonism in that statement.
What I was trying to say is that it is offensive to say that any religion isn't the one and true religion, as many people believe strongly about their beliefs. Yes, it IS offensive to claim that a person's religion isn't true. The only right thing to do in this case is to remain neutral about it altogether.
As far as social security goes, if you believe that the program will remain solvent for the next 50 years I would call you optimistic but not mentally imbalanced or deficient. I don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that a solution will be found, and the US actually has more than enough money to pay for it if they were just able to manage revenues and expenditures intelligently, though the government of the United States continues to lower the bar on what exactly they are able to accomplish so maybe that is asking too much.
Obama cannot be called a Christian. Maybe we can't all agree that he is/isn't a Muslim (I did not call him a Muslim--but that's my annoying opinion to you.), but I would put him under the "secular" category to be fair. Can we agree on that?
Sure he is "secular." I mean he is a politician after all, and a former corporate lawyer and community organizer. Obviously he concerns himself with what happens in the real world. He is not a member of a monastic order that devotes himself entirely to prayer. Are you saying that all people who call themselves Christian but engage in the real material world are not true Christians but secularists? That's not a totally unique opinion, if so. Or are you using secularist as code for atheist? I don't think Obama is atheist, but maybe. He's still not Muslim.
Thank you for your input. I do enjoy the conversations this quiz starts.
Still it's a little disturbing the intensity of how many people are arguing against basic facts. While there are very legitimate concerns regarding Israel's actions in Palestine, it does not even come close to the Holocaust.
Thanks for the laugh.
Really? 180 degrees?
So anyway this person I've never noticed before, or since forgotten at any rate, comes along and leaves at least 20 creepy comments on my quizzes today and I was wondering what it was all about and here we get to the root of it... and it's another one who is upset that I don't believe in the same god. sigh... how unoriginal.
Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - Never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise
You're welcome to believe whatever you want. That doesn't make it objectively true. If you want to say "this works for me" or "I feel my faith has given me the strength," that's fine. But no major religion is all about subjective reality and good feelings. All of them make claims about the nature of reality/the cosmos and usually history. These claims are often false and also mutually exclusive (i.e. the Biblical story of Jesus directly contradicts the Qur'an). You can't say the Bible is true for person A and the Qur'an is true for person B unless you believe there are 7 billion simultaneous alternate realities. While that's an interesting idea for a Twilight Zone episode there is no good reason to believe it's true, and so like all purely speculative and unsupported (or demonstrably false) theories it is not the one supported by this quiz.
I mean, really.
The map on the right side colored in the parts of the globe where the majority of scientists believed in Evolution, gravity, germ theory, Physics, etc etc. This map was one solid color.
I still don't believe they landed on the moon though *Runs away*
or... rather, should we?
I suppose there are some fringe loonies who believe that AlQaeda doesn't actually exist or that it is in reality a branch of the CIA or Mossad or something idiotic like that. I guess if you look hard enough you can find someone dumb enough to believe anything.
"Republicans conspired to oppose Civil Rights legislation in order to win support from racists in the South."
"Republicans conspired to destroy the World Trade Center in order to fabricate a justification to invade Iraq."
These statements use similar words and sentence structure, but can you spot the difference? The first sentence is absolutely true; the second sentence is ridiculous conspiracy bullshit. Hope that helps.
I did laugh at some of the questions though :p
I don't know if he believes in the magic of chain letters. I doubt he believes that Israel is committing a holocaust against Muslims. I don't know if he is a Jewish Holocaust denier or not, wouldn't surprise me either way.
The result is Bantustans. The West Bank is a territory that will never be actually independent and will never have voting rights in Israel even though they are the majority of the population. (One could also say that about Gaza, since although Israel has no government officials there, it controls its borders, imports, and exports.)
But, I still wouldn't place much trust in them as Assange is a nut and the organization is basically now acting as an arm of Russian intelligence. That doesn't mean that they would publish things that were totally fabricated... they have their reputation to consider and they can't be as effective in their mission if they are seen publishing totally fake stories... but given their obvious biases and anti-Western anti-American anti-corporate/capitalist stance which they don't attempt to hide, they should still be regarded with some healthy skepticism.
I used to believe in some of this stuff, too. I used to be a young Earth creationist. I used to believe in Christianity. I used to believe that space aliens had visited the planet Earth. But... then I learned how to be skeptical and to think critically and I was forced to accept that some of the things I believed in were just not supported by the best available evidence.
Your willingness to admit you were wrong, even about one thing, is promising. Good luck.
If I ever make a part 3 of this series I'll put that on there, along with belief that the Mueller investigation is a hoax or witch hunt or that Russia did not attempt to interfere in the 2016 presidential election, which you would also have to be very VERY aggressively stupid to believe. I mean... wow. But I know there are a lot of retards out there who think this.
Thanks for your ideas.
Does this make me officially dumb?
Actually I guess it does, because after I had submitted this comment I realised that I had failed to spell it right again and had to edit my note.